On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

thumper wrote:
On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were
nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

Every Oregon park I have been to is great. Last one Valley of the Rogue.
Definitely better than any other state parks I have been in.

ESAD wrote:
On 12/23/12 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:58:39 -0500, JustWait
wrote:


Could you run a small cabin heater all night long with one of those
batteries?

I would use propane for heat. You would use less than the gas to run
the generator.
Generators are the most expensive power you can buy. Use them for
things that you can't do old school.


Right, if you're not worried about CO, you can worry about hypoxia,
especially in a closed area!

Most rv have a propane heater. Battery to run the fan.

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you
are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation
for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for
most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage
the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home
refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and
large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma.
When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the
refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in.
All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up
briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor
kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the
compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at
3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as
previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.

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On Dec 23, 3:09*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:49:43 -0500, JustWait
wrote:









On 12/23/2012 2:03 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:07:17 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:44:16 -0500, JustWait wrote:

I buy the long term protection on everything I buy at harbor freight. I
have one literally 750 yards from my house so they are convenient.

For this generator, two year's worth of insurance is $79, which doesn't seem too bad.

I would read that contract very closely. I bet they have an out if it
simply wears out. Otherwise contractors would be burning up a couple a
year and getting them replaced.
A prairie builder usually won't get a year out of a very good
generator but they may put 1500-2000 hours on one by then.

That's exactly what I do at HF.. I buy stuff, and I use it. They know me
and know when I go out the door, I will be back if the tool won't do
what is is guaranteed to do. Never any questions, never any hassles.

My experience at Harbor fright is if you buy their top of the line
tool, it is OK for casual homeowner use but their economy stuff is
only worth the melt weight of the steel.

I've noticed their items that say "Rugged, Heavy Duty construction"
Then I look at the pic and think if that product is 'rugged and heavy
duty' I'd hate to see what the cheap flimsy stuff is...

Don't buy tools where you need precision from Harbor Freight. Most of
what they sell is cheap knock-offs.

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says...

On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait

wrote:



On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:

I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or

had one?



http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb



This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,

emergencies.





Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are

gonna'

hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just

sayin'..



At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't

need a generator. If camping in a

place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada

somewhere - anyone else around

will be using their generator also.



-------------------------------



Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they

are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature.

They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run

a coffee maker.

Bingo!
A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove.

Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter
halves and all-weather sleeping bags.

On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.


Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent
campers can see you coming a mile away.

In article 2013446837378017421.807523bmckeenospam-
, says...

thumper wrote:
On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were
nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

Every Oregon park I have been to is great. Last one Valley of the Rogue.
Definitely better than any other state parks I have been in.

Tennessee has some very nice state parks. Now, most don't have rec rooms
with pool tables, etc., nightly dances, and such, but that's not why I
go camping!

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says...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:43:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:27:44 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Supposedly, this one is 'Super Quiet', with a 70 dB noise level. If
I use it at home, it would be
only for a few absolute necessities - with time management. I
primarily wanted something I could
throw in the pickup for camping trips where electricity isn't
available.

===

70 dB is not super quiet, not at all.

These are reasonably quiet at 53 to 59 dB depending on load level:

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-EU1000IKC-Portable-Generator/p6548.html

70dB is approximately 10 times louder than 59 dB.

Even the small Hondas get annoying after awhile but at 29 pounds are
easy to carry and load into a truck.

....and cost almost ten times as much! Hell, I'm ex-military, not
ex-hedge fund manager or writer
for a union rag.

---------------------------------------------

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.

Friends who've traveled with their trailers to Alaska had need of a generator, both while
boondocking alongside the road and in some of the Alaskan campgrounds.

Hell, I won't even play a radio outside in the campgrounds we frequent!

That's odd, I've camped all over the U.S. in all kinds of weather and
did so perfectly fine without a generator or electricity. But then
again, I actually camp, as opposed to just moving to a different
location with all of the amenities of my home. I don't need a microwave,
electric coffee maker, etc. to have a good experience.

In article ,
says...

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you
are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation
for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for
most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage
the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home
refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and
large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma.
When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the
refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in.
All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up
briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor
kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the
compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at
3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as
previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.

If I needed to do all of that to "camp" and I use the word very loosely
here, I'd just stay home.