On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:37:15 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available.


BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water.

Well, you are exceptional. Most of the time there are tenters where we camp, but I've only seen one,
that I can remember, on a site with water and electricity. The great majority of tenters rough it
without electricity and water hookups.

I have no reason to bull**** you or anyone else about it.

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 06:09:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, December 24, 2012 9:21:26 AM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
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On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message



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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait



wrote:







On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:



I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or



had one?







http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb







This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,



emergencies.











Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are



gonna'



hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just



sayin'..







At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't



need a generator. If camping in a



place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada



somewhere - anyone else around



will be using their generator also.







-------------------------------







Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they



are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature.



They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run



a coffee maker.



Bingo!

A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove.



Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter

halves and all-weather sleeping bags.

Although my wife isn't interested in camping, I could, and have, slept in the back of a stationwagon. Funny...before I bought my last 2 new vehicles, I crawled in back to see if I could sleep in the cargo area if required.
With the back seats down it's a tight fit in the back of the RAV4...laying kitty corner.

I've done my share of sleeping in the back of a VW Dasher wagon!

That's little!!

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:12:46 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/24/2012 7:37 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents
were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay
extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where
all that is available.


BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water.

Exactly...

Great. We just don't see that many tenters paying the extra for the hookups where we camp.

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:05:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article 1162069442378058030.655503bmckeenospam-
, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
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In article ,
says...

On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait

wrote:



On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:

I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or

had one?



http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb



This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,

emergencies.





Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are

gonna'

hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just

sayin'..



At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't

need a generator. If camping in a

place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada

somewhere - anyone else around

will be using their generator also.



-------------------------------



Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they

are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature.

They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run

a coffee maker.

Bingo!
A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove.

Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter
halves and all-weather sleeping bags.

Some of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. can really only be seen by
hiking in and camping. I'm sure glad that I don't miss those
opportunities.

My 4x4 will get me to enough beautiful remote places to satisfy me.

I fully understand that some people would rather seek total comfort as
opposed to seeing things not everyone can see and getting some exercise
in the process. One of the best experiences of my life was hiking for a
month and a half on the AT.

Have you been through Bryce Canyon, Arches, Canyonlands, Grand Canyon, Zion, Yellowstone, and Grand
Tetons National Parks?

Yes, I have.

Great places. You can park your rig in a nice campground, and then hike all day long!

I can also hike into the back country and camp anywhere I want.

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:05:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/24/2012 2:14 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/24/2012 5:47 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were
nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.


Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent
campers can see you coming a mile away.

Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There
are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all".

Tent camping in an rv park is what you do with your family when you
don't have a camper but you still want to have some fun...

They are like Harry and his notion that there is nothing to see in the
U.S. and only wants to get from point A to point B.

They who?

Damn, does one have to explain EVERYTHING to you? Can you not follow a
thread at all? Is it because you are so senile that you can't remember
the sentence you had read when you read the next one?

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On 12/25/12 3:03 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:31:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Monday, December 24, 2012 7:18:48 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use

.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely

not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and

an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will

definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV

thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator

that came with the camper.









Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at

campgrounds where electricity is

available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.

I've never, while in

campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.

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I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to

your original post where you specifically stated:



"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,

emergencies."



I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.



When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are

looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for

being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter

based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you

read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese

generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while

the better ones are still going strong.



I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The

inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most

camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load

put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator,

couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel

TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a

pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the

coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on

the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load

(like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back

to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator

you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than

necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud.



The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output

voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering

sensitive devices like computers.







Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave

inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long.



OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn

Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere.

With that generous military pension I'm supprised you don't fill that overblown pickup with Honda generators.

What's overblown about my pickup? Can you tow 11,000 lbs with the RAV4?


Why would anyone with a working brain want to tow an 11,000 pound trailer?

To get it from point A to point B.

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On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:55:16 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,
says...

On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are
looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for
being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most
camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load
put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator,
couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel
TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a
pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the
coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on
the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load
(like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back
to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator
you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than
necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.



Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave
inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long.

OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn
Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere.


We try to look after your best interests. ;-)

Amazing the old fool asks for advice, and then when he gets it, gets
****ed off like a little school girl.

Who's ****ed?

You, the person that has to mortgage his house (again) to afford a
thousand dollar generator.

On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:18:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:05:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/24/2012 2:14 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/24/2012 5:47 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were
nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.


Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent
campers can see you coming a mile away.

Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There
are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all".

Tent camping in an rv park is what you do with your family when you
don't have a camper but you still want to have some fun...

They are like Harry and his notion that there is nothing to see in the
U.S. and only wants to get from point A to point B.

They who?

Damn, does one have to explain EVERYTHING to you? Can you not follow a
thread at all? Is it because you are so senile that you can't remember
the sentence you had read when you read the next one?

Just trying to understand your assumption.

You say, "They are like Harry..."

Who?

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says...

On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:18:27 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:05:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/24/2012 2:14 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/24/2012 5:47 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were
nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.


Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent
campers can see you coming a mile away.

Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There
are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all".

Tent camping in an rv park is what you do with your family when you
don't have a camper but you still want to have some fun...

They are like Harry and his notion that there is nothing to see in the
U.S. and only wants to get from point A to point B.

They who?

Damn, does one have to explain EVERYTHING to you? Can you not follow a
thread at all? Is it because you are so senile that you can't remember
the sentence you had read when you read the next one?

Just trying to understand your assumption.

You say, "They are like Harry..."

Who?

WHOOOOOOOSH........ You ARE dumb!

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On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available.


BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water.

I don't get it. Why? When I tent camped I never carried any electrical
gear that wasn't battery powered. Didn't carry a shower or toilet
either
Used the campground facilities.
Coleman stove, battery lights, 5 gallon collapsing water jug.
Always thought going light weight was what tent camping was about.
Besides that, the RV area is noisy.
And most of them I've seen have concrete aprons. Real hard to drive
tent stakes through that.
Never considered for a second buying an RV spot.
Are you talking about a tent, or a popup tent camper?