In article ,
says...

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:27 -0500, ESAD wrote:



We camped out here for five days last summer...

http://tinyurl.com/dynmrev


We didn't bring the tent we don't have or a portable generator. Just
clothes and suntan lotion.


My kind of camping. We camped here, at the Broadmoor in Colorado
Springs.
With the insider discount it was "Marriott" priced.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...ing%20room.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20bedroom.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/broadmoor%20lake.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20balcony.jpg

I resent them making me shuffle all those pillows.
Pillow proliferation has really gotten out of hand.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:27 -0500, ESAD wrote:



We camped out here for five days last summer...

http://tinyurl.com/dynmrev


We didn't bring the tent we don't have or a portable generator. Just
clothes and suntan lotion.


My kind of camping. We camped here, at the Broadmoor in Colorado
Springs.
With the insider discount it was "Marriott" priced.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...ing%20room.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20bedroom.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/broadmoor%20lake.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20balcony.jpg

Why not just stay home?

On 12/26/2012 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
says...

... That's got to be difficult!

... Are you really as stupid as you act here?

hints
who's on first
wargames
/hints

On 12/26/12 1:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:27 -0500, ESAD wrote:



We camped out here for five days last summer...

http://tinyurl.com/dynmrev


We didn't bring the tent we don't have or a portable generator. Just
clothes and suntan lotion.


My kind of camping. We camped here, at the Broadmoor in Colorado
Springs.
With the insider discount it was "Marriott" priced.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...ing%20room.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20bedroom.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/broadmoor%20lake.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/br...%20balcony.jpg


Looks pretty rough, but I am sure my wife and I are tough enough for
that place, too.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:47:52 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

I love to drive around the U.S.A. Did you realize you can see a lot more
driving than you can in an airplane?

You are not going to see much looking out the window on the
interstate. We drive plenty on these vacations, typically 1500 - 2000
miles but it is around one or two states, very far from here. The
plane gets over a week of driving behind you in 2 half days.
If you actually wanted to investigate every interesting thing you see
and you drive on back roads like we do, it would take over a month to
get to Colorado. That might be great if you were rich and didn't have
any reason to be home.

Harry doesn't like to see anything either. One of the best times I ever
had was my brother and I drove from New York to New Orleans and went
anywhere we felt like. We had a book called Roadfood and went to
whatever town we wanted to check out a food place, plus whatever we
wanted to see. Two weeks to get to New Orleans, where we stayed for
another four days. Met many people along the way that I'm still in touch
with, saw a lot of local things that you wouldn't have seen if you
hadn't spent time with the locals, etc.

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:51:52 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:47:52 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to

pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.



At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to

drive.

My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his

driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).

He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.

They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road

towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to

buy food in or out.



We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,

staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in

or eating out.

We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our

2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).



Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel

is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your

expenses..



I love to drive around the U.S.A. Did you realize you can see a lot more

driving than you can in an airplane?



You are not going to see much looking out the window on the

interstate. We drive plenty on these vacations, typically 1500 - 2000

miles but it is around one or two states, very far from here. The

plane gets over a week of driving behind you in 2 half days.

If you actually wanted to investigate every interesting thing you see

and you drive on back roads like we do, it would take over a month to

get to Colorado. That might be great if you were rich and didn't have

any reason to be home.



Harry doesn't like to see anything either. One of the best times I ever

had was my brother and I drove from New York to New Orleans and went

anywhere we felt like. We had a book called Roadfood and went to

whatever town we wanted to check out a food place, plus whatever we

wanted to see. Two weeks to get to New Orleans, where we stayed for

another four days. Met many people along the way that I'm still in touch

with, saw a lot of local things that you wouldn't have seen if you

hadn't spent time with the locals, etc.

Bull****...sounds like a BoogieTale.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs!

On 12/26/2012 5:57 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

They don't have anything like this is North Carolina

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg

or this

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg

Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent
camp in those areas???


I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to
pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.

At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to
drive.
My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his
driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).
He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.
They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road
towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to
buy food in or out.

I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked
up, and I don't have to tow a toad.

We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,
staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in
or eating out.
We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our
2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).

Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this
country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of
Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take
a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and
camping often won out.,

Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel
is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your
expenses..

We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of
the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs!


Well, after all this talk I guess we can morph it a bit... our ideal
camper would be a four door pickup truck, with a slide on. For day
races, we could throw the bikes in the back of the truck, for
weekend/roadtrips, we would slide the camper on and tow the bikes behind
in the trailer, during the week we have a pickup truck for around town...

What I really need is a commode and a shower, I don't mind cooking
outside. I don't want to sleep with the bikes, that's why I don't want a
long trailer with two sections, but having a girl racer, I do need two
separate sleeping areas.

If I could I would have one of those nice ones that squat down for travel

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:57:17 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:22:47 -0500, wrote:



On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:05:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:



They don't have anything like this is North Carolina



http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg



or this



http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...big%20tree.jpg



or this



http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/Ju...kes%20peak.jpg



or this



http://gfretwell.com/ftp/dakota/Devils%20tower.jpg



Duh! So, what's your point? Are you saying that you can't hike and tent

camp in those areas???





I am saying I was not willing to drive to those places and trying to

pack your camping supplies on an airplane is not tenable.



At that point you are left with camping where you are willing to

drive.

My neighbor was an RV "camper" . He always had a six figure RV in his

driveway or in a paid parking lot facility (most of the time).

He always ended up losing about $50,000-100,000 when he traded them.

They were a maintenance black hole, got about 4-5 MPG on the road

towing another car. The campgrounds were not cheap and he still had to

buy food in or out.



I can't see the six-figure motorhome. At least I've got something to drive when the trailer's hooked

up, and I don't have to tow a toad.



We sat down and compared his cost to me and my wife, flying 1st class,

staying in suites in nice hotels, renting an SUV and cooking in

or eating out.

We came away cheaper and we got a lot more actual vacation out of our

2 or 3 weeks (unless driving a bus is your idea of fun).



Absolutely, especially if his was a diesel. There is some time lost driving, but much of this

country is nice to drive through. Kansas does get boring, along with Nebraska, Oklahome, most of

Texas and South Dakota. But, there are sights to see in every state, if one will slow down and take

a peek. My neighbor had a software program that calculated costs, given various assumptions, and

camping often won out.,



Unless you actually go camping 4 or 5 times a year, locally, the hotel

is always going to be cheaper once you actually add up all of your

expenses..



We've been averaging about twice a month since we got the first trailer a few years back. One of

the nice things about an RV is that you sleep without other peoples' bed bugs!

Our national broadcaster consumer protection series did a couple episodes exposing germs etc in a half dozen hotel chains...Some considered higher end.
It was a bit gross...They had an expert go undercover with the gear needed to go the inspections. Some results are scary.
I've always carried the anti-bacterial cloths to wipe door knobs, tv remotes, sink faucets etc but will now include a bottle of Frebreeze to mist the bed after I toss the comforter onto a chair.

On 12/26/2012 3:19 PM, wrote:

Our national broadcaster consumer protection series did a couple episodes
exposing germs etc in a half dozen hotel chains...Some considered
higher end.
It was a bit gross...

I heard a well known "comic" describe how one of his friends liked to
play spiderman in hotel rooms, I won't go into detail.