On 12/24/2012 6:16 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 00:33:53 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
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I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

Oh, OK. My bad. Should have been more clear.


I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you
are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation
for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for
most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage
the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home
refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and
large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma.
When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the
refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in.
All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up
briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor
kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the
compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at
3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as
previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.



You know, I'd forgotten to check if this one had a power down mode when the load was reduced. What
you say here makes some good sense. I may cancel the order and give the Honda more thought. I didn't
know Kawasaki and Suzuki also made these things.


I have seen the Yamaha ones at the track too... All very quiet too.

On 12/24/2012 6:17 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:41:03 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you
are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation
for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for
most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage
the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home
refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and
large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma.
When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the
refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in.
All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up
briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor
kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the
compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at
3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as
previously pointed out, is loud.

We used to run our house in Essex during storms with a 2500 with a 3000
spike capacity. We had to run the water pump (above ground) and pump up
the system, then turn it off and run the boiler separately as hey
wouldn't both run together with the 25.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.

If I needed to do all of that to "camp" and I use the word very loosely
here, I'd just stay home.

Probably a good idea.

On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are
looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for
being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most
camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load
put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator,
couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel
TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a
pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the
coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on
the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load
(like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back
to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator
you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than
necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.



Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave
inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long.

OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn
Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere.


We try to look after your best interests. ;-)

On 12/24/2012 8:29 PM, BAR wrote:
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On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
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snip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen



Because I could.

At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there.



We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000

miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or

twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever.

Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie.
I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old.
I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine.

Consumer Reports is useless. I bought my TV without consulting Consumer
Reports. I bought many things without consulting Consumer Reports.


You are better off consulting the internet instead of Consumer Reports.

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:06:15 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

The biggest limitation I see with camping is you are pretty much
limited to where you are willing to drive.
Sometimes we are up to the maximum of 3 bags each, on a 3 week fly
drive vacation the way it is. I am usually just my big duffel bag and
a cooler but my wife packs heavy, particularly coming home.

Really? You can hike to the AT trail for a few days at a time and never
see a vehicle.

That's great if you think the east coast of the US is the only place
you want to see but we like hiking around out west. I have been on the
AT a number of times but the scenery doesn't really change that much
from Georgia to Pennsylvania.

Well, I've also hiked the Pacific Coast Trail, spent two weeks
backpacking in Yellowstone, and in my teens spent a summer in Yosemite.
I find it funny that you don't think the scenery changes much from GA to
PA. I guess you really didn't notice much. That may be your trouble, you
need to take the time to look, learn and appreciate.

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On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available.


BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water.

If I stay at a campsite with such amenities, which I do every few days,
I do as well. Every few days I'll get a campsite like that and do
laundry, etc.

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says...

On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are
looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for
being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most
camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load
put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator,
couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel
TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a
pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the
coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on
the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load
(like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back
to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator
you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than
necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.



Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave
inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long.

OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn
Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere.


We try to look after your best interests. ;-)

Amazing the old fool asks for advice, and then when he gets it, gets
****ed off like a little school girl.

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:27:07 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.


Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent
campers can see you coming a mile away.

Yup, a 33' fifth wheel trailer is pretty easy to spot!

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:07:02 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 12/24/2012 8:47 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/24/2012 8:27 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/23/2012 8:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were
nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.


Oh well... Looks like you are gonna' be one of "those guys".... Tent
campers can see you coming a mile away.

Tent camping in a RV park is like camping in your back yard. Why? There
are so many places you can hike to to get away from "it all".

Not if you are camping out of necessity... Where we race, there are
usually no rooms available, and we don't have a camper.

Do you race in an RV park?

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:43 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Sunday, December 23, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:
"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:32:14 -0500, JustWait

wrote:



On 12/23/2012 10:26 AM, GuzzisRule wrote:

I just ordered this thing, on sale for $279.99. Anyone ever used or

had one?



http://tinyurl.com/cz9eobb



This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,

emergencies.





Oooops, missed he "camping trips" part. Your camp neighbors are

gonna'

hate you for running a contractors genny at the campsite.. Just

sayin'..



At those kinds of campgrounds, electricity is available - wouldn't

need a generator. If camping in a

place where a generator is needed - like off the highway in Canada

somewhere - anyone else around

will be using their generator also.



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Nope. You are wrong. There are electricity-less campsites but they

are typically favored by people who want to truly connect with nature.

They go there to get away from noise, not to microwave hotdogs or run

a coffee maker.

Bingo!
A lot of people like to camp the old simple way ..maybe with a Coleman lantern and stove.

Here's my credit card, where is my room. I had enough camping in shelter
halves and all-weather sleeping bags.

Some of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. can really only be seen by
hiking in and camping. I'm sure glad that I don't miss those
opportunities.

That leaves all the rest of the most beautiful sights in the U.S. that *can* be seen without hiking
in to camp!

I sure hope you keep finding all those great spots in which to hike and camp.