On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:41:03 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
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I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you
are looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation
for being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for
most camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage
the load put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home
refrigerator, couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and
large flat panel TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma.
When I wanted to brew a pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the
refrigerator, made the coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in.
All this time it ran on the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up
briefly for a heavier load (like when the refrigerator compressor
kicked on) and then dropped back to it's low RPM range after the
compressor was running. The generator you are looking at runs at
3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than necessary and, as
previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.

If I needed to do all of that to "camp" and I use the word very loosely
here, I'd just stay home.

Probably a good idea.

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are
looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for
being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most
camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load
put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator,
couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel
TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a
pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the
coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on
the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load
(like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back
to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator
you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than
necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.



Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave
inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long.

OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn
Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere.

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:40:32 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:43:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:27:44 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

Supposedly, this one is 'Super Quiet', with a 70 dB noise level. If
I use it at home, it would be
only for a few absolute necessities - with time management. I
primarily wanted something I could
throw in the pickup for camping trips where electricity isn't
available.

===

70 dB is not super quiet, not at all.

These are reasonably quiet at 53 to 59 dB depending on load level:

http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-EU1000IKC-Portable-Generator/p6548.html

70dB is approximately 10 times louder than 59 dB.

Even the small Hondas get annoying after awhile but at 29 pounds are
easy to carry and load into a truck.

....and cost almost ten times as much! Hell, I'm ex-military, not
ex-hedge fund manager or writer
for a union rag.

---------------------------------------------

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator. I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.

Friends who've traveled with their trailers to Alaska had need of a generator, both while
boondocking alongside the road and in some of the Alaskan campgrounds.

Hell, I won't even play a radio outside in the campgrounds we frequent!

That's odd, I've camped all over the U.S. in all kinds of weather and
did so perfectly fine without a generator or electricity. But then
again, I actually camp, as opposed to just moving to a different
location with all of the amenities of my home. I don't need a microwave,
electric coffee maker, etc. to have a good experience.

Yup, while motorcycle camping we did the same thing - all over the US (except for the great
Southwest) and Europe. Now we've gotten older, and enjoy a mattress, coffee in the morning, the BBQ
for steaks in the evening, and a stereo for Bluegrass Music.

But, I think you should stick with a tent.

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available.

On Monday, December 24, 2012 7:18:48 PM UTC-4, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...



On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use

.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely

not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and

an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will

definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV

thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator

that came with the camper.









Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at

campgrounds where electricity is

available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.

I've never, while in

campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.

--------------------------------------------------------------------



I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to

your original post where you specifically stated:



"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,

emergencies."



I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.



When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are

looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for

being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter

based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you

read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese

generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while

the better ones are still going strong.



I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The

inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most

camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load

put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator,

couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel

TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a

pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the

coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on

the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load

(like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back

to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator

you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than

necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud.



The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output

voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering

sensitive devices like computers.







Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave

inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long.



OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn

Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere.

With that generous military pension I'm supprised you don't fill that overblown pickup with Honda generators.

On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available.


BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water.

In article ,
says...

On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:
In article ,

snip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen



Because I could.

At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there.



We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000

miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or

twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever.

Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie.
I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old.
I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine.

Consumer Reports is useless. I bought my TV without consulting Consumer
Reports. I bought many things without consulting Consumer Reports.

On 12/24/2012 6:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use ....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.

Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where all that is available.


When you are young with a young family and don't have a camper, you tent
camp at the nicer places so you have a general store, shower, and a pond
or something... Sometimes camping isn't about seeing who can rough it
the most, it's about just getting someplace where you can lay in the sun
for a while and have a drink, a bonfire, and do a little laid back
fishin with the kids..

On 12/24/2012 7:37 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/24/2012 3:23 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:12:38 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 5:38 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:47:00 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 12/23/2012 2:58 PM, Eisboch wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
....
and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely not
going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and an
annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Anyone in a nearby tent will especially hate it.

Actually, I can't even think of a place we've stayed where tents
were nearby. Usually the tent area
is well removed from the RV area.



My favorite campground isn't segregated.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_37.php

None of them are segregated. But most tent campers don't want to pay
extra for water, electricity,
and sewer. So they usually stay in places other than the sites where
all that is available.


BS. If available I always take a spot with power/water.

Exactly...

On 12/24/2012 6:18 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:43:39 -0500, Meyer wrote:

On 12/24/2012 12:33 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"GuzzisRule" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:58:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

John, the point is that if you are thinking of it for camping use
.... and plan to stay at public campgrounds ... they are most likely
not going to allow use of a generator like that. It's too noisy and
an annoyance to other campers. You might not mind, but others will
definitely complain. Heck, I remember back when we were into the RV
thing for a while. Campsites didn't like you running the generator
that came with the camper.




Apparently my camping use got overlooked. I wouldn't be using it at
campgrounds where electricity is
available, but where I'm either alone or with others on a generator.
I've never, while in
campgrounds in the US, had a need for a generator.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I think the camping comments made by me and others are in response to
your original post where you specifically stated:

"This will be used primarily for camping trips and, if necessary,
emergencies."

I don't see how any of us overlooked anything.

When it comes to generators, you get what you pay for. The one you are
looking at is a cheaply made, Chinese import that has a reputation for
being very short-lived. You may balk at the price of an inverter
based Honda or one of it's Yamaha or Suzuki equivalents, but if you
read some of the reviews and people's experiences of the cheap Chinese
generators you will find that you'll go through several of them while
the better ones are still going strong.

I'd also reconsider if you really need 3kw of portable power. The
inverter design (Honda, Yamaha, etc.) 2000 watt is sufficient for most
camping, boating and emergency power applications if you manage the load
put on it. My EU-2000i easily ran a full sized home refrigerator,
couple of incandescent lights, a Direct TV receiver and large flat panel
TV 24/7 for over a week after hurricane Wilma. When I wanted to brew a
pot of coffee, I temporarily unplugged the refrigerator, made the
coffee, then plugged the refrigerator back in. All this time it ran on
the lower RPM range, automatically kicking up briefly for a heavier load
(like when the refrigerator compressor kicked on) and then dropped back
to it's low RPM range after the compressor was running. The generator
you are looking at runs at 3600 RPM continuously, burning more gas than
necessary and, as previously pointed out, is loud.

The other benefit of an inverter type generator is that the output
voltage is a very clean, sine wave. This is important when powering
sensitive devices like computers.



Appliances, like Microwaves, might not work with the cheap square wave
inverters. Honda's are nice. Work hard, last long.

OK, OK...enought already,.I'll cancel the friggin' order, mortgage my house (again) and buy a damn
Honda. Maybe I can find one cheaper that $999.99 somewhere.


Just because folks are sharing experience with you doesn't mean you made
the wrong choice for you. Seems to me like you have from what you have
told us so far... Relax... Just "news grouping"... sharing experience
and info on lot's of subjects.