Jonathan Ganz wrote:

... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.

It's not my job. Do your own research.

"Vito" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.

I found this


One year after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed, including semi-automatic
..22 rifles and shotguns, a program costing the government
over 500 million dollars, the results are in...

A dramatic increase in criminal activity has been experienced.
Gun control advocates respond "Just wait... we'll be safer...
you'll see...".

OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%

* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%

* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12
months)

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past
12 months)

* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-
the-elderly

* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense
is not a reason for owning a firearm"

* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia had averaged about
1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.

* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international
sport shooting competitions

* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association
has risen to 112,000, a 200% increase, in response to the ban and
as an attempt to organize against further controls, which are
expected.

* Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain
how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
"ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait
longer".

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
It's not my job. Do your own research.

"Vito" wrote in message
...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.





--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)
There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html

Oh, I'm so scared!

"Danny Taddei" wrote in message
...
I found this


One year after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed, including semi-automatic
.22 rifles and shotguns, a program costing the government
over 500 million dollars, the results are in...

A dramatic increase in criminal activity has been experienced.
Gun control advocates respond "Just wait... we'll be safer...
you'll see...".

OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%

* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%

* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR
PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12
months)

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past
12 months)

* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-
the-elderly

* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense
is not a reason for owning a firearm"

* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia had averaged about
1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.

* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international
sport shooting competitions

* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association
has risen to 112,000, a 200% increase, in response to the ban and
as an attempt to organize against further controls, which are
expected.

* Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain
how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
"ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait
longer".

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
It's not my job. Do your own research.

"Vito" wrote in message
...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.





--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)

There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Oh, I'm so scared!

Hey Fool- You said to do some research. i was showing you how easy it is
to prove you wrong. if you want to be scared, ask yourself what you have
accomplished in the past ten years and be honest


"Danny Taddei" wrote in message
...

I found this


One year after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed, including semi-automatic
.22 rifles and shotguns, a program costing the government
over 500 million dollars, the results are in...

A dramatic increase in criminal activity has been experienced.
Gun control advocates respond "Just wait... we'll be safer...
you'll see...".

OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%

* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%

* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR

PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12
months)

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past
12 months)

* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-
the-elderly

* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense
is not a reason for owning a firearm"

* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia had averaged about
1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.

* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international
sport shooting competitions

* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association
has risen to 112,000, a 200% increase, in response to the ban and
as an attempt to organize against further controls, which are
expected.

* Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain
how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
"ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait
longer".

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's not my job. Do your own research.

"Vito" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.




--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)



There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html






--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)
There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html

Hey fool. I never told you to do anything. I said, do your
own research. Believe what you want. What I or you have or
haven't "accomplished" is irrelevent. What does that have to
do with the mistaken notion that guns on a sailboat are good
things???

"Danny Taddei" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Oh, I'm so scared!

Hey Fool- You said to do some research. i was showing you how easy it is
to prove you wrong. if you want to be scared, ask yourself what you have
accomplished in the past ten years and be honest


"Danny Taddei" wrote in message
...

I found this


One year after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed, including semi-automatic
.22 rifles and shotguns, a program costing the government
over 500 million dollars, the results are in...

A dramatic increase in criminal activity has been experienced.
Gun control advocates respond "Just wait... we'll be safer...
you'll see...".

OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%

* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%

* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR

PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12
months)

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past
12 months)

* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-
the-elderly

* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense
is not a reason for owning a firearm"

* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia had averaged about
1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.

* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some
international
sport shooting competitions

* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association
has risen to 112,000, a 200% increase, in response to the ban and
as an attempt to organize against further controls, which are
expected.

* Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain
how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
"ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait
longer".

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's not my job. Do your own research.

"Vito" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and
over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in
homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.




--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)



There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html






--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)

There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html

OK, but do you have any stats from a civilized country?


Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG


"Danny Taddei" Im in a wrote



OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%

* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%

* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR
PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12
months)

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past
12 months)

* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-
the-elderly

* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense
is not a reason for owning a firearm"

* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia had averaged about
1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.

* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international
sport shooting competitions

* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association
has risen to 112,000, a 200% increase, in response to the ban and
as an attempt to organize against further controls, which are
expected.

* Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain
how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
"ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait
longer".

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
It's not my job. Do your own research.

"Vito" wrote in message
...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.





--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)

There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html

No, you'll just have to wait for Donal or Stevie to roll out of
bed.

Look, Scotty, i know it's the 4th July there (and you're behind
the times as far as I'm concerned anyway) but what are you doing
up at this ungodly hour? Danny Taddei went to bed two hours ago!
Give the man time to charge his batteries!

Flying Tadpole
(conscience-stricken at the virtual cruelty he sees around him)

Scott Vernon wrote:

OK, but do you have any stats from a civilized country?

Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG

"Danny Taddei" Im in a wrote



OBSERVABLE FACT, AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA:

* Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%

* Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%

* Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44% (yes, FORTY-FOUR
PERCENT)

* In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
homicides-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past 12
months)

* Figures over the previous 25 years show a steady decrease in
armed-robbery-with-firearms (changed dramatically in the past
12 months)

* There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-
the-elderly

* At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense
is not a reason for owning a firearm"

* From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia had averaged about
1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.

* The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international
sport shooting competitions

* The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association
has risen to 112,000, a 200% increase, in response to the ban and
as an attempt to organize against further controls, which are
expected.

* Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain
how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such
monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in
"ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait
longer".

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
It's not my job. Do your own research.

"Vito" wrote in message
...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

... a gun on a sailboat is a bad idea. It's been proven over and over.

Could you cite those proofs? I've seen the same said for guns in homes.
For example, the premier anti-gun org here in the USA claims one is 37
times more likely to be shot with your own gun than use it in self
defense but closer examination proved that a lie - they'd juggled the
stats. It then came out that the org (HCI) had been established and
funded by churches to protect criminals from their victims!! With all
due respect that experience has made me suspicious of "proof" til I
check it out. Many intellegent, well meaning people have been duped by
these religious nut cases.





--
Danny Taddei
e-mail me at (remove no-worms-in-a-)

There's a horizon on every side. Let your soul inside be the guide and
lead the way.
http://members.cox.net/sandycove/index.html

I took a job this week working 0500 - 1730, Tue. thru to Sat., My mistake.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzz


Scotty
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG



"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Look, Scotty, i know it's the 4th July there (and you're behind
the times as far as I'm concerned anyway) but what are you doing
up at this ungodly hour?

Scott Vernon wrote:

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/832067.JPG

Ah. I understand. Never mind, we all suffer from Alienation at
some stage.