On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:38:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:20:26 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

Then you have some liberal like WayneB, who was probably born with a
silver
spoon in his mouth, casting aspersions upon the character of his moral
and
ethical betters. People who side with the bloated federal government are
worse than despicable.

Personally I was born a poor white boy. My moma at age 18 went to work
as a welder in WW2 building Liberty Ships.
My mom got knocked up when she was welding in the Bremerton shipyard
around teh Korean war.. Thats where I came about. I spent my child
hood in orchards cause she had to pick fruit and work in laundries
cause nobody would hire a woman welder. I had to work hard for evey
thing I got cause she OR the goventment couldnt/wouldnt give me ****.

Sooo I learned an an education was my way up and out and as my
education taught me how to be a:
1) Independent life long learner
2) critical consumer of media

I learnde the REpublican party does not want people education past
12th grade. Why?????????

I just did a quick google search and the average years of education in
the US is 12. In fact, we lead the world in that number. So, I don't
know why you're putting down the US and blaming the Republican party.



Bob's probably one of those leftist, commie pinko, entitlement addicts.
Typical of the type. Live off the fat of the land and gripe about those who
produce it.



We as a country certainly can be better but I can't think of a place
I'd rather live. I don't get some of the extreme criticism that
happens from those on the left. Seems to me they have a pretty good
deal.

So, on to more pleasant (and ON-TOPIC JUSTIN... sheesh) subjects...
You're in the Keys, so do you typically sail on the west or east side
of Florida? Also, I think there's a national park near the Keys... not
the Everglades... a place that you have to get to by boat? It's
supposed to have an old fort.

Also, did you get my email? I think I asked you that somewhere
previously.

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 14:55:29 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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I think it's getting worse. Honestly, some people should not go to the
beach!

It can get really really bad on the beaches around here. It's the Canadian
snowbird problem. Not only are most of them obese but they are totally
white
and pasty-skinned while the women are fond of thong bikinis and the men
Speedos. Sometimes it's difficult not to wretch at the sight of them.

Ok, well, I can get pasty. :}


But probably not *as pasty* as those Canadians who live where it's so cold
that their skin never sees any sun for months at a time. At least you go to
the beach from time to time so you might have some evidence of tan lines??




I might have to take a flight in the next couple of months, so thanks
for reminding me!

You're welcome. ;-) Perhaps you'll think of me when you're all crammed in
there . . .

Next to obese people? Nah... I'll be thinking of someone in better
shape than that!


Ouch! That means you think I'm in bad shape? Who's your favorite male
celebrity - better shape-wise?



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Two (anchors) of(f) the front? I guess you could put them away from each
other somehow. Otherwise they'd get all tangled. How deep do you anchor
typically? I guess in the Keys it must be pretty shallow... like 10 to
20 feet? If less than that don't you worry about waves picking up the
boat and letting it land on the bottom.. or is that impossible?


You've sure got a good head on your shoulders, girl. Yes, two anchors off
the bow as in "Bahamian Style" which is anchors placed about 60 degrees
apart as described by the angle of the anchor rodes. In a tidal current
they
are places slightly up current and slight down current so when the tide
and
current changes the boat still lies between both with relatively equal
pulls. In a wind only situation one places the anchors more like 90-120
degrees apart and this holds the bow directly into the wind and it doesn't
sheer around.

So, that's what they do in the Bahamas? I've never been, but it's
pretty close to you? How do you get the second anchor in the right
place? You can't put them in at the same time, so you must have to get
the boat to the second spot. It must be tough to judge where it is in
relation to the first one, since it's on the bottom.


It takes a little practice but it's not overly difficult. Many places in the
Bahamas develop some pretty strong tidal currents and it changes directions
twice a day so, yes, if you want to stay put you really need two anchors set
out across the current and well dug in.

The Bahamas are pretty close by - probably about the same distance offshore
as Santa Catalina Island out there but there are hundreds of little and
larger islands out there. One can sail for months and not come close to
visiting them all. Most are not even inhabited. It's a wonderful cruising
ground.

Placing the anchors can be made into a comedy of errors using the
'committee' approach and/or using the motor and yacht tender (dinghy) or it
can be done correctly and simply like I do it when single-handing. So called
sailors like Bruce, for example, probably never set two anchors,
Bahamian-style, under sail but I can and do set them that way all the time
and it is a no fuss - no muss operation when done in a seamanlike fashion.

Here is how a real sailor does it.

1) Sail into the anchorage and proceed upwind close hauled on a port tack to
the place a fifty feet or so to the right of where you wish the boat to end
up. I like about ten feet of depth in clear water so the bottom can be
easily seen.

2) Pinch into the wind and coast to a halt with sails luffing.

3) Go forward, release the jib halyard at the mast cleat and quickly roll
and stow the sail along the starboard lifelines out of the way. Release and
drop the anchor that is ready on the starboard bow roller and quickly pay
out about 100 feet of anchor rode (easy to know provided the rode is marked)
as the boat slowly gathers sternway. Make the line fast to a cleat.

4) Proceed back to the cockpit, unsheet the mainsail from its close-hauled
position and put the tiller over to port which will cause the bow to fall
off to port due to the sternway.

5) Sheet the mainsail to a reaching position on a starboard tack and the
boat will soon stop its sternway and commence moving forward away from the
dropped anchor which will appear by the direction of the rode to be off the
starboard beam. This all should be accomplished prior to the anchor rode
snubbing up on the dropped anchor or the bow will come into the wind again
and the mainsail will be ineffective. 50-60 feet of 'spare' rode length
would be about right.

6) As the boat gathers headway, sheet in the mainsail so the sail attacks
the shifting wind at the proper angle of attack until it becomes close
hauled again (but on a port tack this time as the bow slowly rounds up.

7) As the 100 or so feet of the anchor rode off to starboard starts to
tighten up it will be dragged over to about a 60-90 degree angle from the
anchor (180 degrees being directly downwind). When the boats gets as far
upwind as she will go and the starboard anchor pulls the bow directly into
the wind then go forward and drop the anchor that is ready on the port bow
roller.

8) Once the anchor strikes bottom, pay out some line and jerk the rode a few
times to set the anchor in the bottom as the boat falls back between the two
anchors and then pay out about fifty feet of rode and make it fast on a
cleat. Then uncleat the starboard anchor rode and slowly retrieve about
fifty feet of rode and make it fast to a cleat. The boat will then be lying
between the two anchors with the angle described by the anchors of about
90-120 degrees. If one or more of the anchors don't hold the angle will
decrease. If they hold the angle will remain constant.

9) On your way back to the cockpit stop at the mast and release the main
halyard and let the mainsail fall and strap it to the boom.

10) Look around and note some readily apparent ranges (objects you can line
up one behind the other) ashore so you can reference them later to make sure
you're not dragging.

11) Go below, grab a cold beer, sit in the cockpit and enjoy but check the
ranges over several minutes. If the ranges don't change then you can assume
the anchors are both holding. If you really want to feel secure, grab the
mast, snorkle and fins and dive the anchors and make sure they are well dug
in so you can sleep soundly that night.

This scenerio is for non-current, wind only situations. It must be modified
somewhat or quite a bit depending on the direction and strength of tidal
currents, if any.




I generally prefer to anchor in relatively shallow water - around six feet
at mean low water. Yes, the Keys have very shallow water in many places.
As
for waves picking up the boat and slamming it on the bottom that's not
likely to happen in wind-generated wave action, at least. See, it's the
depth of the water that determines the height of the wave and the depth of
the wave trough in shallow water. In six-foot deep water the largest
wind-generated wave possible would be about three feet. So, that would
still
give a three-foot cushion for a 3-foot draught boot in one fathom of
depth -
one fathom being six feet.

Ok... I get it I think, and if it's really, really bad weather, you
could put the boat somewhere where it's more protected...

Right. They call them 'hurricane holes'. They are generally smaller places
with high sides and good holding.


Tech away! I get jargon thrown at me all the time from contractors...
I was riding with a gf of mine and she tells me she hears a noise from
under the car, so I said I know what that is.. Really??? Well, yeah,
it's the band clatter of either the drive shaft or the transmission...
now if it's the drive shaft then it's not too serious, but if it's the
transmission, well you might be able to get someone to adjust it but
it probably needs to get replaced. She was amazed and then angry when
I told her I made it all up.


See how devilish you are, Jessica? You made it all up. That's funny! Can
you say, "instigator?" LOL!

As for teching away, I probably teched away plenty enough above. LOL! It
wouldn't surprise me if even the likes of Bruce, Waldo, WaIIy, Wayne,
JustinC, etc. are scratching their addled pates and scrambling for the
sailing reference guides.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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I was enjoying his rant right up until he called me Jessie... don't
like that AT ALL!


I typed 'Jennifer' the other day by mistake instead of 'Jessica' but you
didn't seem to notice it. LOL! Jennifer is a girl I know who is a dolphin
trainer here in the Keys at Theater of the Sea. She used to ride bikes with
us training for triathlons but she came down with Crones disease or
something like that and can't do triathlons anymore because of her digestion
problems. She can't even run anymore or doesn't want to . . .

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Genetically superior? Hmm.... well, except for my skin tone, I could
live with that!

Nothing wrong with light skin but I was thinking more along the lines of
genetic superiority that results in a superior mind and wholesome mentality.



Face it! It's not like Jessica's here for any kind of physical
gratification. Any woman who looks as fine as she does most certainly has
plenty of real-life opportunities for that type of thing, wouldn't you
say?
This newsgroup is strictly an abode of the imagination. It is a place
where
one can express one's self honestly and appreciate others with like
qualities.

True... well, I've learned a few things about sailing, so if I ever go
again, I'll be able to say something and not look totally stupid.


Just ask away with the sailing questions if you have some and I will be
happy to provide my opinions or expertise on them. It might even make some
of the people who yell, 'take it to e-mail' less hostile.

Wilbur Hubbard

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Actually, you might just be doing me a BIG favor. It could be that the
lovely, talented and highly-desirable Jessica B might just get fed up with
all you naysayers and decide to drop in for a visit and a sail. That way I
could get photos of her and I together and make you skeptics so green with
envy and so embarrassed by your non-believer attitudes.

I'm considering it... :-)

WOW! I mean WOW!

Did you get my email btw? For some reason
yours (to my second account) got deleted.

I got one from you yesterday which I answered - the gmail account. But, you
were at work and might not have seen the reply then. It's best to not do
personal e-mails at work because they can reprimand you as none of them are
private unless you get them on your own personal iPod or Blackberry or some
such. I got an iPod about a month ago and I can get my gmail on it at wi-fi
hot spots. I didn't get the iPhone because I've already got a phone and it's
very inexpensive - like fifty bucks a year.

I'm convinced that perhaps the only thing that would make my fine yacht
photos better-looking is JessicaB posing on deck in her bikini! (Or me in
the picture giving her a hug just so you wouldn't be able to claim it's a
Photoshop job or some such other lame response.)

I would love to pose for it... I'm sure it would kill at least three
people here though.

And, I would love to have you but you said you had to give six-months notice
for vacation time. They would be so envious! But, they would just refuse to
acknowlege it here and probably claim I Photoshopped you in. It wouldn't be
the first time they claimed something like that.

Here is a video of "Cut the Mustard" sailing in the Gulf Stream. Some of
these Rubes tried to say it was faked, too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#



She hasn't posted lately, though. I sure hope you Rubes haven't driven her
off . . . You all should learn to appreciate the finer things in life of
which Jessica B is definitely a prime example.

Those guys? Nah... They probably want me to announce when I'll post to
make sure they don't miss something.


Some of them DO seem to really get anxious when you don't post for a couple
days. . .


Wilbur Hubbard

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:05:56 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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The mean librarian look? Heh... I don't usually wear my hair up...
just tied in the back or in a pony if my niece gets ambitious.

Yes, that stern, professionally-dressed librarian wearing big eyeglasses
with the promise of wild passion hidden beneath is every man's fantasy.
LOL!
Ever do French braids - that's hot!


Hmmm... I think this says something Freudian, but I don't know what.
lol

Yes, it could have something to do with control issues. It is often said
that men like to take a vacation from their usual role of being in control
of things in their everyday life, jobs, etc.


Never had that kind of braid... I tend to keep my hair flowing unless
I have to work on something then I put it up.

I guess French braids are a good way to put it up but I think they take time
to do right and maybe somebody has to do them for you to get them nice and
even.





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Right.. like once or twice while we're sitting there is flattering.
five times gets old. (I mean not me so much but my friend)

No smoking out here. Honestly, I don't care if someone wants to cough
up blood when they're 62, but I don't want to.

I don't blame you. That's one reason I hate motor boaters so much. How
dare
they pollute the very air I breath when here I am living way out of the
way
and one of the reasons for doing so is I can breathe clean air.

All that engine smell... blech..

That's ONE thing California did right - cracked down on the air
pollution -
especially indoor by banning smoking almost everywhere. I'm glad they
didn't
manage to legalize pot. That would be just another source of air
pollution.

You would not believe how many cannabis clubs there are in the greater
LA area.


I'm surprised. I thought it was only legal there for medical purposes. Maybe
lots of 'sick' people. LOL!

I tried pot in my college days but it dawned on me that if cigarettes give
you cancer then smoking pot probably does, too. So I stopped doing it. If
they could put it in a drink like Root Beer aka Canabis Beer (non alcoholic)
then I might be tempted to do it again.

Speaking of air pollution, I rode up to Miami yesterday with a friend who
was picking up his bike from the shop where he was getting a new fork
installed (the old one cracked and needed to be replaced) and the air was
noticably smelly. This was right before the cold front passed and the air
was relatively still and humid. We Americans have a term for the smelly
Miami air - Cuban monoxide. LOL!

I bet you have a lots and lots of Cubans... I'll raise you two
Mexicans.


Yikes! I guess we all have illegal alien problems these days. Freaking
federal government can't seem to do what they're supposed to do - enforce
the borders - but they can sure meddle in everything else. Thank God federal
judge Vinson here in the Florida circuit has struck down Obama Care. He has
ruled the entire Act unconstitutional. 26 states were plaintiffs.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:08:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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They probably wouldn't know what to do with or how to treat a real, live,
beautiful woman. LOL! This sounds corny but a man's got to appreciate a
woman's mind first and foremost and the more intelligent the woman, the
more
necessary this becomes.

In my case (and Jimbo's) you don't get anything else unless you get
the mind first. Stace is a less strict. You never know who's going to
be leaving in the morning (we were roommates in college).

Can't fault any of that.

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:18:11 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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Dangit! Well, you can't blame a guy for dreaming, can you? :-)

Dream on! lol


Hey, I can have it just the way I like it in my dreams. ;-)


Be NICE! :-)



I can be VERY nice. ;-)

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:30:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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Jessica, you're just so delicious! You seem to instinctively know that men
really enjoy living a little dangerously when it comes to their women.
What
an expert flirt you are. ;-)

Carry on . . . Please!

Hehh... actually, I don't generally flirt.. at least not on my own.
Maybe in a group, but then I don't have to worry about it going too
far. Also, my eye lashes aren't long enough.



Well then, stick some fake eyelashes on and bat the heck out of them. :-)

Flirting is a strange thing. When two people interact, it all depends on how
the interaction appears to one or the other. Flirting can be very
unintentional on one person's behalf but the other might feel very flirted
with. I guess what I'm saying is flirting is sometimes more in the eye of
the beholder.

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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We as a country certainly can be better but I can't think of a place
I'd rather live. I don't get some of the extreme criticism that
happens from those on the left. Seems to me they have a pretty good
deal.

Exactly! It's like all the people complaining about how poor they are. But,
look at them! They have so much to eat that they are obese, they have a car
or two, air conditioning, dishwasher, color TVs with cable, computers with
Internet, hot and cold running water, etc. etc. They need to shut their yaps
and enjoy all the luxuries they can't seem to even notice because they are
complaining all the time.



So, on to more pleasant (and ON-TOPIC JUSTIN... sheesh) subjects...
You're in the Keys, so do you typically sail on the west or east side
of Florida? Also, I think there's a national park near the Keys... not
the Everglades... a place that you have to get to by boat? It's
supposed to have an old fort.

It's more convenient for me to sail on the Florida Bay side of the Keys as
getting to the oceanside involves going out a creek that is about two miles
long and going under a bridge that opens on a schedule. Or, sailing to the
Channel Five bridge which is high enough to get under. They have made all
the water around the Keys into a National Marine sanctuary. The national
park is either the Everglades National Park (up and around the mainland) or
the Fort Jefferson National Monument. Fort Jefferson is in the Marqueses
about fifty or sixty miles west of Key West. No roads and bridges to it
though the water is mostly not very deep. I think one might be able to take
a seaplane ride out to it but it's mainly accessible by boat only.


Also, did you get my email? I think I asked you that somewhere
previously.


Affirmative! Thanks.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:23:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
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I was enjoying his rant right up until he called me Jessie... don't
like that AT ALL!


I typed 'Jennifer' the other day by mistake instead of 'Jessica' but you
didn't seem to notice it. LOL! Jennifer is a girl I know who is a dolphin
trainer here in the Keys at Theater of the Sea. She used to ride bikes with
us training for triathlons but she came down with Crones disease or
something like that and can't do triathlons anymore because of her digestion
problems. She can't even run anymore or doesn't want to . . .

Really? I must have missed it, but Jennifer is a nice name... a
dolphin trainer? Wow... gets to work with dolphins all day... sounds
like a great life.

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Genetically superior? Hmm.... well, except for my skin tone, I could
live with that!

Nothing wrong with light skin but I was thinking more along the lines of
genetic superiority that results in a superior mind and wholesome mentality.

Ok. I can accept that burden!



Face it! It's not like Jessica's here for any kind of physical
gratification. Any woman who looks as fine as she does most certainly has
plenty of real-life opportunities for that type of thing, wouldn't you
say?
This newsgroup is strictly an abode of the imagination. It is a place
where
one can express one's self honestly and appreciate others with like
qualities.

True... well, I've learned a few things about sailing, so if I ever go
again, I'll be able to say something and not look totally stupid.


Just ask away with the sailing questions if you have some and I will be
happy to provide my opinions or expertise on them. It might even make some
of the people who yell, 'take it to e-mail' less hostile.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ok, so I have a sailing question about anchors... obviously there are
different anchors for different situations, but you don't necessarily
know what you're going to find when you go someplace? So, how do you
decide what anchor to take with you? Clearly, as you said, you can
take two (or three?) but they must eventually get kind of heavy... I
guess there must be guides, but what if you're going to visit several
places and they're all different?

Hopefully, this question is good enough for Justin! Sheesh...