On Sep 4, 6:30 pm, wrote:
On 4 Sep, 01:07, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

My

4" refractor can outperform a 20 year old 10" reflector.

Uh, Donal....a Cave Astrola reflector from the early 80's will easily
top the highest end 4" refractor. It's simply going to collect too
much light over the 4 and transmission coatings don't equal raw
aperture. They've been making VERY good mirrors for even longer than
20 years.
I thought you knew something about this, but it sounds more like
you've read a lot of Vixen and Tak ads.

Wrong!! I've taken some photographs!
My coments are based on personal experience.
Your comments are based on personal ignorance.


Donal, you must be crazy. I've looked through a William Optics Triplet
110mm APO vs. an old Cave Astrola 8. The bigger mirrors easily out-
resolved the APO of course. It's not like they couldn't make great
mirrors in the 70's and 80's, you numb-nut! Transmission coatings have
improved things a bit and love small beautiful refractors, but don't
be crazy. When it comes to scopes, SIZE MATTERS.


Before you argue this point, perhaps you will tell us
more about your photo of M31. You pretended that
you took it from your back yard. I live about the same
distance from London as you do from NY. Do you
want me to show the same thing from here?


Donal, why not just throw an egg into the air and let it land on your
face? I'm in Kent Cliffs, quite high up. I get very little sky glow
here and on a good fall night I can get a pretty dark sky. The shot
was taken from my front deck using the CPC-800 with NO WEDGE, which
meant I had to keep the exposure down to about a minute with a 90mm
lens on a D300, which in turn was piggybacked on the scope. Without a
wedge you get field rotation if you use longer exposures. I have a
wedge, but it's still packed up in the original box. Settings on the
D300 were ISO 1000 at F/4.5.




R

On 5 Sep, 01:10, OzOne wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
I've been reading the posts about cars. I think that
neither you nor Oz can afford an Aston Martin.

Regards

donal

Aston Martins are horrendously expensive in Oz.....

Of course. But, they are worth every penny.
Quality doesn't come cheap.
Power, Beauty, Soul ......

Other cars are just plain ugly by comparison.

If you drive a Lambo, Bently or a Porsche you will be treated
like a football player. If you drive an Evo, then you will probably
be treated like a football player's wife.

You get treated with respect when you drive an Aston.
You would like it.

Regards


Donal
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On 5 Sep, 02:08, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:07 pm, wrote:

I've looked through some expensive stuff, Donal. Have you ever
compared a new C8 with a Tak 7 inch refractor costing 12K? I have. You
might be surprised how well the C8 compares. Oh, and there's the
little item of actually using the scope. By the time you set up a RCOS
CF tube I'd have acquired and viewed a hundred objects. You have a lot
to learn. The best scope is the one that's used the most. That's why I
own two GPS GOTO scopes instead of a big dob for now.
You have a long way to go if you don't get that and need to name drop
pricey scope builders, Donal.

Well, that really takes the biscuit!!! Bobsprit accuses *me* of
name
dropping!!!!
What Hi-Fi do you have? What home cinema system? What camera?
What car? What telescope?

Bob, your telescope is like your car. It is mass produced mediocre
tat that is made for the recently affluent working class man. These
things are desinged for *new* money. People who come from a
decent background wouldn't be seen in possession of such rubbish.

You *know* that if I wanted to name drop, then I would have
highlighted
my camera instead of the telescope. If you don't know that this is
true, then you don't know anything about astrophotography.



So, which car are you going to buy? It won't give you any more
street credibility than the Pearson 30 did. Take a test drive in
a DB9, and you will realise that the cars that you have been
looking at are just piles of crap.



regards


Donal
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On 5 Sep, 02:12, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Sep 4, 6:13 pm, wrote:



On 4 Sep, 01:07, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

My

4" refractor can outperform a 20 year old 10" reflector.

Uh, Donal....a Cave Astrola reflector from the early 80's will easily
top the highest end 4" refractor. It's simply going to collect too
much light over the 4 and transmission coatings don't equal raw
aperture. They've been making VERY good mirrors for even longer than
20 years.
I thought you knew something about this, but it sounds more like
you've read a lot of Vixen and Tak ads.

Ahhhh.....

You can't afford a Tak?
I've been reading the posts about cars. I think that
neither you nor Oz can afford an Aston Martin.

Regards

donal
--

I could buy a Tak tomorrow, but it would be inferior to my CPC scope
since it would be tougher to setup and would get less use. I'm
planning on a GT-R, which is better than an Aston Martin.

The GT-R is FASTER than the DB9. If you think that means
that it is better then you are not really qualified to own an Aston.



After all, Aston relies on the fact that footballers' wives do not
drive their cars to maintain their reputation.

An Aston is about Power, Soul and Beauty. If all you want
is Power, then you should buy the GT-R. It would suit you
better.



Regards

Donal
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On 4 Sep, 23:24, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT), said:

I've been reading the posts about cars. I think that
neither you nor Oz can afford an Aston Martin.

Jeez, Donal, that was a low blow. You're hitting them both where it hurts.

We need to stimulate a bit of discussion here.

They are both discussing rubbish cars. I'm surprised
at Oz, because I thought that he had some taste in
these matters.

I'm not surprised that Bob is looking at these second rate
supercars. It fits his modis operandi.



Regards


Donal
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



We need to stimulate a bit of discussion here.

They are both discussing rubbish cars. I'm surprised
at Oz, because I thought that he had some taste in
these matters.

I'm not surprised that Bob is looking at these second rate
supercars. It fits his modis operandi.



Regards


Donal

Donal, even my Evo 9 would run rings around the Aston on anything but
the M1.

Have a look at this purpose built pocket rocket and you will be
impressed I'm sure..drive one and you'll be astounded.




OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:45:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On 5 Sep, 01:10, OzOne wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
I've been reading the posts about cars. I think that
neither you nor Oz can afford an Aston Martin.

Regards

donal

Aston Martins are horrendously expensive in Oz.....

Of course. But, they are worth every penny.
Quality doesn't come cheap.
Power, Beauty, Soul ......

You left off Reliability.....Understandably

I don't regard $300,000 + tax and on roads as being value for money

Other cars are just plain ugly by comparison.

Oh they are beautiful....

If you drive a Lambo, Bently or a Porsche you will be treated
like a football player.

Oh wonderful.....?

If you drive an Evo, then you will probably
be treated like a football player's wife.

Actually you'll hardly be noticed....

You get treated with respect when you drive an Aston.
You would like it.

Nope sorry....no deal.

Regards


Donal




OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

So, which car are you going to buy? It won't give you any more
street credibility than the Pearson 30 did. Take a test drive in
a DB9, and you will realise that the cars that you have been
looking at are just piles of crap.




Well, it's been a long time since I said the following, but Donal's
lame comments are deserving....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

The Aston Martin? Donal thinks it's got "soul" because James Bond
drove one???? Do you know that a Evo X is a better driving machine? Do
you know that it handles better and has a FAR more sophisticated
suspension and drive train system? Do you know that Evo's are one of
the definitive driving machines of the last decade in Europe and the
US? Do you know what a "tuner's car" is and the Aston Martin is NOT a
tuner's car?
Let's teach Donal something about street credibility, which he seems
to think has something to do with me driving alone on my winding
roads: The DB9 simply says "I wanted the most expensive car", not the
best driving machine. It can't compare in ANY way to the best handling
cars of which the Evo X is universally agreed on as a member.

As for the GT-R, good lord, Donal! Stop talking already. You can't
cram any more feet in. A GT-R is a supercar well beyond anything a DB9
can muster. You probably don't even understand that a driving
enthusiast doesn't want a Aston Martin over a Evo X or GT-R, two cars
with superior handling and feedback.

Enjoy!


R.

On 6 Sep, 00:32, OzOne wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

We need to stimulate a bit of discussion here.

They are both discussing rubbish cars. I'm surprised
at Oz, because I thought that he had some taste in
these matters.

I'm not surprised that Bob is looking at these second rate
supercars. It fits his modis operandi.

Regards

Donal

Donal, even my Evo 9 would run rings around the Aston on anything but
the M1.

Have a look at this purpose built pocket rocket and you will be
impressed I'm sure..drive one and you'll be astounded.

It might run rings around a DB9 in terms of speed.
But, in terms of class???

I knew that Bob wouldn't understand, but I thought that you
would.

Let's put it this way. Imagine that we both turn up at the casino
in Monaco. Which car will get a parking space at the front
of the Casino? You know the answer! Your Evo will be directed
towards the rear of the building. The Aston will get a space
beside the main entrance.

Speed isn't everything. Some places still appreciate pure
class.

Your Evo has power.
The DB9 has Power, **Beauty** and **Soul**.

If you can ignore the beauty and soul, then an Evo is
suitable for you. However, I challenge you to take
a test drive in an Aston and not realise that all those
other so-called supercars are nothing but heaps
of crap.

Regards


Donal
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On Sep 5, 7:32 pm, OzOne wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

We need to stimulate a bit of discussion here.

They are both discussing rubbish cars. I'm surprised
at Oz, because I thought that he had some taste in
these matters.

I'm not surprised that Bob is looking at these second rate
supercars. It fits his modis operandi.

Regards

Donal

Donal, even my Evo 9 would run rings around the Aston on anything but
the M1.

Have a look at this purpose built pocket rocket and you will be
impressed I'm sure..drive one and you'll be astounded.



Don't bother, Ozzy. Donal has been well trained by his boob tube. He
hears a brand name and makes assumptions. I seriously doubt he could
understand or appreciate what the Evo X SST transmission can do or
what active yaw control does...two features found on only race cars
and the Bugati. He'd never understand why the Evo has those
restrictive seats, or why drive modes are there. Of course the Evo is
a world class sports car, but as my friends love to remind me, it's
also a specialty car aimed at a specific group of drivers. Most would
prefer a BMW 135i or 335xi for example, two great cars that are close
in cost.
And if Donal is so ignorant to not know that the new GT-R, a car far
more rare than Aston Martins, sits at the pinnacle of what driving is
all about, then what's the point of trying to teach him?



R.