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On Sep 9, 6:42*am, "redbard" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ... On Sep 8, 9:25 pm, "redbard" wrote: "Capt. Rob" wrote in message .... Do you really need AWD in areas that get snow? We get 150-250 inches per year and front wheel drive or LSD (limited slip differentials) has worked great for the last 25 years. Carmel gets 40 inches a year, a "blizzard" there is 22 inches. *Call in the Unimogs! It's so funny when someone speaks out...and then sounds even dumberer than poor Donal about cars! So let's see...this poor clown thinks AWD is all about snow accumulation! Oh boy! Probably if the poor toad drove the 2.4 mile road up into Kent Cliffs where my house is located he'd know that a easy dusting stops most FWD cars. Everyone here has AWD without exception because of the hilly terrain. Does a KIA Sedona have AWD? Let me know when you get to mountainous terrain. Now...should I teach him about AWD in a performance car and what advantages it offers? 14" ground clearance? Granny low and differential locks? 8' snowplow? I don't have a Kia Sedona anymore. We traded it for a SUV. With 50K miles on it the Sedona was the only trouble free car I owned. I'm picking up an Outlander XLS for Suzanne, so we'll see how it compares. R. Stunning resale value! And you said you were going to keep it for years! At least you made lemonade with the lemons! Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You're right, and as I explained to the late Bob Crantz, the Sedona was fantastic. When sold we got 17,500.00 for it and never had to pay a dime except for gas. Even the oil was paid by Kia. So we lost 10K after 54K miles or so. Now the same year Sienna with the same options would have brought us about 3K more on resale, but it would have cost 4.5K more to buy. So we saved over the Sienna and got a better van with the best safety record available. Lemonade indeed, sir. RB |
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Stunning resale value! And you said you were going to keep it for
years! Never said any such thing. I rarely keep a car more than two or three years. I've owned 4 new cars in 4 years and am buying two more in a week. I have a contract on a GT-R as well. Why does this worry you so? RB |
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On Sep 9, 8:20*am, Donal wrote:
On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:59:12 -0700, Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! *The 4 is a cheap engine in a cheap car that has been designed to exploit the "sub-prime" market. *It cannot use much gas because a typical Evo driver is probably quite cost conscious. Okay, so let's get this straight. The Evo X buyer is getting essentially a bare bones track car that is not very good for daily driving. This makes it much more of a toy compared to other cars, such as a BMW 335xi...as an example. Even a 135 is a FAR better DD than the Evo, but the Evo is still one of the hottest sports cars selling. The Evo buyer can buy the nice BMW, but instead shells out 40K more or less (before tuning and upgrades). This is a cheap car? It forces you to buy at least one other car as a daily driver. My second car cost 32K. My 3rd car costs 22K. My buddy drives a nice Lexus that cost what a loaded Evo costs. He thinks the Evo is rediculously expensive. He's right. You're paying for a lot of engine, suspension and transmission, but the car around it all is a painted cage. That's the philosophy behind the Evo, just like the AM has it's own which is NOT designed to compete with a 911 or Evo X. Donal, you know NOTHING about cars. It's really quite amazing. RB |
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And RB is a vertible conduit of Internet misinformation, marchitecture (sic) , and advertising hype. He knows more that isn't true than anyone but maybe Al Gore. |
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On 9 Sep, 19:51, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
On Sep 9, 8:20 am, Donal wrote: On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:59:12 -0700, Capt. Rob wrote: On Sep 8, 5:50 pm, wrote: Well, there is a huge difference between the high pitched whine of a 4 cylinder Evo, and the low pitched growl of a 12 cylinder of a DB9. Yup...the 4 is more fun and uses less gas! The 4 is a cheap engine in a cheap car that has been designed to exploit the "sub-prime" market. It cannot use much gas because a typical Evo driver is probably quite cost conscious. Okay, so let's get this straight. The Evo X buyer is getting essentially a bare bones track car that is not very good for daily driving. This makes it much more of a toy compared to other cars, such as a BMW 335xi...as an example. Agreed. Even a 135 is a FAR better DD than the Evo, but the Evo is still one of the hottest sports cars selling. The Evo buyer can buy the nice BMW, but instead shells out 40K more or less (before tuning and upgrades). This is a cheap car? What other car with the same performance costs so little? That is why I suggest that it is aimed at the sub-prime market. Sub-prime products are for people who want something and they are not willing to work for it. You would like to own a "supercar", but you cannot afford a real one. So, you read about the blistering performance and the cheap price, and you think that you can afford to join the elite. It forces you to buy at least one other car as a daily driver. My second car cost 32K. My 3rd car costs 22K. Good grief!! How many washing machines and old matresses are stacked in your front garden? Your three cars added together are less than half the cost of a second-hand DB9. When I referred to you as a sub-prime customer, I didn't realise just how"sub-prime". Bear in mind that a DB9 is always a "second" car. It doesn't have back seats to talk of, the boot (trunk) is tiny. It is a toy. My buddy drives a nice Lexus that cost what a loaded Evo costs. He thinks the Evo is rediculously expensive. He's right. You're paying for a lot of engine, suspension and transmission, Nonsense! You are paying for an image. As with everything else, you get what you pay for. If you sell your second and third cars, you might be able to afford a nice 2-3 year old Lexus GS300. This car's performance won't be affected by the weight of the driver as much as the Evo's, and owners of real performance cars won't look down their noses at you. but the car around it all is a painted cage. That's the philosophy behind the Evo, You mean it's cheap and fast?? just like the AM has it's own which is NOT designed to compete with a 911 or Evo X. Donal, you know NOTHING about cars. It's really quite amazing. You are right. The AM is definitely not designed to compete with the 911. In the same way, the 911 is not designed to compete with the Evo. To get from a DB9 to an Evo you have to subtract 8 cylinders, 4 litres, a Linn sound system, a beautiful body, hand stitched leather upholstery(from 5 Austrian cows), satellite tracking technology ... and so much more. People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. If you did this on an Evo you might cut yourself. Regards Donal -- |
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What other car with the same performance costs so little?
That is why I suggest that it is aimed at the sub-prime market. Sub-prime products are for people who want something and they are not willing to work for it. You would like to own a "supercar", but you cannot afford a real one. So, you read about the blistering performance and the cheap price, and you think that you can afford to join the elite. Donal, I'll take a semi'serious moment to perhaps educate you.... There are a TON of great and fun performance cars for not a ton of money. And some do things better or differently than the Evo or Porsche Cayman or even the AM. Dodge Cobalt SS.....freakisly fast car that is making the rounds on various racing circuits. A lot of speed and handling for 22K. Subaru WRX and STI....Both AWD and both fast and fun stock or tuned. Starting at 25K. Lotus Elise....A miracle of go-cart handling. This was on my list along with the even better Exige, but it's just too impractical. Starting at 47K. BMW 135i....twin turbo and just a blast. It's practically a mini M3. If I could live with RWD and the small cabin I'd buy one. Starting at 35K. BMW 335xi....a nearly perfect blend of speed, handling and comfort and starting at a low 41K. Pontiac G8...for those who understand the heritage and Holden connection, this is a muscle car many will love and 31K to start. As there are many more from Audi, VW, Mazda, Mitsu and so on. ALL have their specific strengths and all are reasonable to own. Some, like the Evo or Elise, are specialty cars. They won't make the average driver happy unless they understand what the car is for. Others, such as the 335xi, are more rounded and hold more general appeal. The Evo is expensive. A loaded MR costs a whopping 44K with the custom leather. And it's still a rather plain shell and interior. You're paying for a unique technology only available on ONE other car on the market. Is an Evo right for you, Donal? Probably not if you're taking driving lessons in a heavy RWD AM. But if you can make an AWD car like the Evo X drift easily, the car is a true enthusiasts machine. It's not quite on the level of a GT-R, but for sheer and plain driving on a twisty mountain road, it tops the AM. Now, if I have to drive to Ohio, or even PA I'll take that AM in a heartbeat. It's a far more rounded and comfortable car for long trips...which is NOT what the Evo was built for. RB |
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On 10 Sep, 01:09, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
What other car with the same performance costs so little? That is why I suggest that it is aimed at the sub-prime market. Sub-prime products are for people who want something and they are not willing to work for it. You would like to own a "supercar", but you cannot afford a real one. So, you read about the blistering performance and the cheap price, and you think that you can afford to join the elite. Donal, I'll take a semi'serious moment to perhaps educate you.... There are a TON of great and fun performance cars for not a ton of money. And some do things better or differently than the Evo or Porsche Cayman or even the AM. Dodge Cobalt SS.....freakisly fast car that is making the rounds on various racing circuits. A lot of speed and handling for 22K. Subaru WRX and STI....Both AWD and both fast and fun stock or tuned. Starting at 25K. Lotus Elise....A miracle of go-cart handling. This was on my list along with the even better Exige, but it's just too impractical. Starting at 47K. BMW 135i....twin turbo and just a blast. It's practically a mini M3. If I could live with RWD and the small cabin I'd buy one. Starting at 35K. BMW 335xi....a nearly perfect blend of speed, handling and comfort and starting at a low 41K. Pontiac G8...for those who understand the heritage and Holden connection, this is a muscle car many will love and 31K to start. As there are many more from Audi, VW, Mazda, Mitsu and so on. ALL have their specific strengths and all are reasonable to own. Some, like the Evo or Elise, are specialty cars. They won't make the average driver happy unless they understand what the car is for. Others, such as the 335xi, are more rounded and hold more general appeal. The Evo is expensive. A loaded MR costs a whopping 44K with the custom leather. And it's still a rather plain shell and interior. You're paying for a unique technology only available on ONE other car on the market. Is an Evo right for you, Donal? Probably not if you're taking driving lessons in a heavy RWD AM. But if you can make an AWD car like the Evo X drift easily, the car is a true enthusiasts machine. It's not quite on the level of a GT-R, but for sheer and plain driving on a twisty mountain road, it tops the AM. Now, if I have to drive to Ohio, or even PA I'll take that AM in a heartbeat. It's a far more rounded and comfortable car for long trips...which is NOT what the Evo was built for. RB Bugger me!! For the first time in 10 years I am feeling sorry for you. Where's the catch? I'll be dissappointed if this means that you dissappear from ASA for another 6 months. We seem to be just getting going again. Regards Donal -- Regards Donal -- |
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Your three cars added together are less than half the cost of a second-hand DB9. � Yep, and my classic movie poster collection is insured at 390K as of 2008. I like my posters, especially the original War of the Worlds poster I just bought. I spend my money my way, but please let us know what cars you drive and when you're getting a AM! At least I'm getting an Evo and GT-R. Where are your cars??? HMMMMM? Bear in mind that a DB9 is always a "second" car. It doesn't have back seats to talk of, the boot (trunk) is tiny. It is a toy. Nonsense. My friend, who's also an oscar winning actress, drives a AM. Her only other car is a Miata. So she has TWO toys! Nonsense! �You are paying for an image. � As with everything else, you get what you pay for. IMAGE??? Do you even know what a tuners car is? Donal, you're just beyond help. If you sell your second and third cars, �you might be able to afford a nice 2-3 year old Lexus GS300. �This car's performance won't be affected by the weight of the driver as much as the Evo's, �and owners of real performance cars won't look down their noses at you. At least I owned a Lexus twice. Where's your AM or ANY car, Donal? Hmmmmm? You mean it's cheap and fast?? If you find the car and mods cheap, then by all means call it cheap. A typical Evo after tune will cost about 50K when done. Where are your 50K toys? Last I heard you were using a cheap SCT scope and had no nice car and no sailboat! Hmmmmm? You are right. �The AM is definitely not designed to compete with the 911. �In the same way, �the 911 is not designed to compete with the Evo. Sigh. Donal, go take some driving lessons. The Evo WAS designed to compete with the 911 Turbo and does so quite well. The AM is a luxo coupe, not a hardcore sports car. You just won't ever get it. To get from a DB9 to an Evo you have to subtract 8 cylinders, 4 litres, a Linn sound system, a beautiful body, hand stitched leather upholstery(from 5 Austrian cows), satellite tracking technology ... and so much more. To get from an Evo X to a DB9 you have to subtract a better Nav system, better Rockford Fosgate sound system, lose the 1.4 skidpad rating and superior handling, give up AWD and ability to handle snow and rain and toss out the AYC system which is winning race after race and only found on the Bugati! But DO enjoy that leather! People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. Nah, I prefer to get pleasure from driving. I have a pretty wife for the other stuff, Donal..and I bet you won't ever have a performance or specialty car. But I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that last comment, so go right ahead! R. |
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wrote in message ... People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. If you did this on an Evo you might cut yourself. Now that's funny! (Because it is so true!) |
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On Sep 9, 9:31 pm, jlrogers±³© wrote:
wrote in message ... People run their hands across the bodywork of an AM for the sensual pleasure. If you did this on an Evo you might cut yourself. It's so much fun to be so right about all of this. Drag coefficient for the DB9 = a fairly awful 0.35 Drag coefficient for the Evo X = 0.31 (same as a M3) Drag coefficent for the Nissan GT-R = 0.27 Aston Martin makes pretty cars, but Mitsubishi and Nissan have learned how to make cars that can slip the wind. The DB9 is the same as a 2001 Honda Civic. Yeah...run your hands over THAT! BWAHAAAHAHAAAHHAHA!!!! Lordy...what a total whooping of all of you and I didn't even need Ozzy's help. RB |
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