On Sep 11, 10:04 am, wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:14 pm, wrote:

On 10 Sep, 05:09, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Quick review for Donal....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmIbJA3RW_Y

Dang, this is "performance driving"? I watched about half of the
video, a 4-door econobox doing fairly impressive power slides and then
switching to a view of the driver... to be sure, he was busy talking
for the camera but he was also yanking the steering wheel like 7-year-
old kid. Is that what this "Active Yaw Control" is for, so that people
don't have to learn to actually steer the car?

Given his job & position, I bet he knows better but it's still a very
poor show.

I've been out of the sports car game for a really long time but if
this is what it's sunk to, I'm certainly not interested in getting
back in.



Nobody is looking for you to get back in either especially since
you're making judgments based on how a guy is conducting a video
review of a car. Why not do some actual research. Maybe you'll even
learn why Top Gear says the Evo X is another car that represents a
leap forward in sports car design. Given the Evo's raw character, 40K
is a bit steep. But if you have FU money to have fun and like great
handling cars, the Evo X is a lot of fun.


RB

On 11 Sep, 22:29, "Capt. Rob" wrote:


Nobody is looking for you to get back in either especially since
you're making judgments based on how a guy is conducting a video
review of a car. Why not do some actual research. Maybe you'll even
learn why Top Gear says the Evo X is another car that represents a
leap forward in sports car design. Given the Evo's raw character, 40K
is a bit steep.

Steep? Don't you mean cheap?

[Hmmm .....] if you translate "raw" into "unrefined" then maybe you
were correct.




regards

Donal
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On 11 Sep, 15:04, wrote:
On Sep 10, 7:14 pm, wrote:

BTW I had a test drive in a DB9 yesterday. It was
lovely. I stroked the rear, and it felt beautiful.

Is "M" finished installing the ejector seat and anti-air rockets, Mr
Bond?


The only rocket fitted to the production model seems
to be pointing out the rear. Flooring the throttle is an
eye opening, buttock clenching, scary experience for
someone who thought that he was an above average driver.




What number plate do you think that I should
have? BO55 DON seems a bit too expensive.
What do you think about "V12 DON"?

D10NAL is also available, but it doesn't seen quite right.

Well how about DB9NAL?


That would be absolutely perfect! It isn't too ostentatious.
Unfortunately, it isn't possible over here.

Bob could go for F4T BOB.

Regards

Donal
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Regards- Doug King

On 11 Sep, 02:20, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

So, driving down my twisty road, into a deep negative bank, the Evo X
will drift a bit, then the active yaw control system will seamlessly
divert power. Coming out of the turn all four wheels will blast the
Evo into an evenly weighted stance. As you learn to trust the AYC and
the amazing grip you can make such maneuvers faster still. In the DB9
you'd have less grip. With only RWD, the rear end would start to
slide. Stay calm and ease off on the power and you MIGHT stay on the
road, but there's only so much give in a simple suspension. Coming out
of the turn you weight for the chassis to recompose before laying down
heavy power. The DB9's torque advantage is high and she takes off. But
the Evo is already five turns ahead.

Then you arrive at the marina in your Evo, and people are not
surprised when they see you step onto a "vintage" Pearson 30.


Good write-up, Bob, but no banana!

BTW, did you see Jeremy Clarkson's review of the Kia?

Regards

Donal
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Then you arrive at the marina in your Evo, and people are not
surprised when they see you step onto a "vintage" Pearson 30.


Not likely, Donal. Evo X's are exceedingly rare. To date I've seen
only one on the road. Specialty cars draw more attention, though
mostly from driving enthusiasts and police. This is NY. No one cares
much about expensive cars because they're everywhere. Both here and in
LA all you see are Porsches, BMWs and just about every 6 figure car on
the market. Big whoop. Exclusivity and real world performance are what
it's all about. If you need to have people in awe of your wallet, buy
a DB9. That's what the cars says. But people in the know what a
drivers car is.
You don't.

Oh....and I'm the guy with the sweet little 1st series and the Kevlar
sails. Where's your boat these days? Hmmmmm? Do you plan to impress us
all with sailing lessons aboard a Swan or Baltic?



RB

Steep? Don't you mean cheap?

[Hmmm .....] if you translate "raw" into "unrefined" then maybe you
were correct.



40K for a car with virtually no comforts beyond power windows is not
what anyone would call cheap. You can get a really nice 3 series or
Lexus for that money and there are plenty of well rounded cars in that
price range. The Evo X aims at the driver market, which is not you.
You want to buy into the "I'm so cool to be driving this car" market.
A DB9 impresses common folk, but not hardcore enthusiasts. The fact
that YOU ignore it's weak performance says it all.
A Dodge Cobalt SS can handle about as well as the DB9!



RB

Capt. Rob wrote:
Then you arrive at the marina in your Evo, and people are not
surprised when they see you step onto a "vintage" Pearson 30.


Not likely, Donal. Evo X's are exceedingly rare. To date I've seen
only one on the road. Specialty cars draw more attention, though
mostly from driving enthusiasts and police. This is NY. No one cares
much about expensive cars because they're everywhere. Both here and in
LA all you see are Porsches, BMWs and just about every 6 figure car on
the market. Big whoop. Exclusivity and real world performance are what
it's all about. If you need to have people in awe of your wallet, buy
a DB9. That's what the cars says. But people in the know what a
drivers car is.
You don't.

Hey Bob, do you know what the problem with numbers from the skid pan is?

Do you know why comparing drag coefficients is often foolish?

Now here's a question that should connect the first two; do you know
what the drag coefficient is for an F1 car in Monaco configuration?

Do you think that you could drive your EVO and beat Shu in a Renault 5
at Monaco?

Cheers
Marty

Hey Bob, do you know what the problem with numbers from the skid pan is?


There's no problem so long as they are consistently high in all tests
at all times.



Do you know why comparing drag coefficients is often foolish?


It's hardly foolish. Slippery cars usually are more quiet on the road
and due to less wind noise. Compromises between good drag numbers and
downforce are a staple of modern auto design.



Now here's a question that should connect the first two; do you know
what the drag coefficient is for an F1 car in Monaco configuration?

That's not really applicable to the discussion and I think you know
why.

Do you think that you could drive your EVO and beat Shu in a Renault 5
at Monaco?


I'm not likely to do well against a professional driver. There's a
huge difference between learning a local circuit and doing well and a
person who drives at the limits week after week.



RB

On 12 Sep, 02:04, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Steep? Don't you mean cheap?

[Hmmm .....] if you translate "raw" into "unrefined" then maybe you
were correct.

40K for a car with virtually no comforts beyond power windows is not
what anyone would call cheap.

Hmmm..
Is 40k a lot of money to a sub-prime buyer? Possibly.



You can get a really nice 3 series or
Lexus for that money and there are plenty of well rounded cars in that
price range.

Unless Lexus are really cheap in the States, then you can only
buy an entry level Lexus for 40K.

The Evo X aims at the driver market, which is not you.

Quite!
You want to buy into the "I'm so cool to be driving this car" market.
A DB9 impresses common folk, but not hardcore enthusiasts.

Yes. A DB9 wouldn't impress a hardcore enthusiast like you.

The fact
that YOU ignore it's weak performance says it all.
A Dodge Cobalt SS can handle about as well as the DB9!

You really do understand what "class" means.
You compare a Dodge Cobalt with a DB9?

Why am I surprised? You cannot see the difference between
a DB9 and a mass produced boy racer.

Brokeback Mountain proved that you can make money
out of films about the gay community. If you were
any good, then you could afford an Aston.


Regards


Donal
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an Evo.

On Sep 12, 8:04 pm, wrote:
On 12 Sep, 02:04, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Steep? Don't you mean cheap?

[Hmmm .....] if you translate "raw" into "unrefined" then maybe you
were correct.

40K for a car with virtually no comforts beyond power windows is not
what anyone would call cheap.

Hmmm..
Is 40k a lot of money to a sub-prime buyer? Possibly.


I dunno. What exactly is a sub-prime buyer? My home is paid off after
14 months and I still own lakefront. Does paying off 590K worth of
property make me subprime? I hope I can keep that status!



Unless Lexus are really cheap in the States, then you can only
buy an entry level Lexus for 40K.


I can buy a loaded IS 350 for about the same price as the Evo or I
could get a nice GS 350 for a couple of grand more. An M35 from
Infiniti is certainly doable as well. Now think of the EvoX in the
same price range, but with very little comfort or luxury. Why is that,
Donal? The problem here is you don't know the difference between a
luxury car, sports sedan, sports car and specialty tuners car. You
just have no clue.



Yes. A DB9 wouldn't impress a hardcore enthusiast like you.


I'm impressed with the pretty DB9, but not with it's handling or
power. It's FAR behind the pack.



You really do understand what "class" means.
You compare a Dodge Cobalt with a DB9?



Sure I know what class means, Donal. But you're a child to think it's
wrapped up in objects like cars.




RB