How in the hell would you know what a cruiser would used for a weeks
cruise.

We spent a week aboard Ghost last season. We loaded her up and sailed mainly
along the Con. coast. Our longest time aboard Alien this summer was just 4
days, but we were aboard the whole time. In the Spring/summer we're doing
Martha's Vineyard. I guess that'll really upset everyone!
Sorry, Thom. My point about the J30 is 100% correct, no matter what you try to
twist it into.

RB

My point about the J30 is 100% correct, no matter what you try to
twist it into.

Aparently you didn't pay much attention. There's no way a J30 set to cruise
for a week is going to outperform one that's ready to race. 4 people and all
the necessary gear, clothing, food etc. will not do as well as a 6 man race
crew and a few sailbags. I rebuted your post and so has half a dozen others.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Dear oh dear!
He didn't say "outfitted for cruising" he said "loaded for a weeks
cruising". There is a huge difference!
And you know, without actually doing the numbers, I think Bubbles may
be close to correct.
Take off 5 or 6 bodies then fill the tanks and load on a weeks food,
and displ would be about the same.

My mistake. I ment only to say loaded for a weeks cruising. Either way 4
people loaded for a weeks cruising can't touch the same boat with 6 bodies and
a few sailbags.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Oh Crap... what does a pallet of beer weigh in at?? ;-)

Fin Keelers... ya worry about a few hundred pounds here or there.... what a
fuss!

CM

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| Dear oh dear!
| He didn't say "outfitted for cruising" he said "loaded for a weeks
| cruising". There is a huge difference!
| And you know, without actually doing the numbers, I think Bubbles may
| be close to correct.
| Take off 5 or 6 bodies then fill the tanks and load on a weeks food,
| and displ would be about the same.
|
| My mistake. I ment only to say loaded for a weeks cruising. Either way 4
| people loaded for a weeks cruising can't touch the same boat with 6 bodies
and
| a few sailbags.
| S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
| Trains are a winter sport

And you know, without actually doing the numbers, I think Bubbles may
| be close to correct.
| Take off 5 or 6 bodies then fill the tanks and load on a weeks food,
| and displ would be about the same.

Not really. Take off 6 bodies and who's left to sail the boat?


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Aparently you didn't pay much attention. There's no way a J30 set to cruise
for a week is going to outperform one that's ready to race.

Never said that it would.

RB

Bob I believe you stated they would be equal in displacement in regards to
race crew weight vs cruise weight.
I think Ole Thom corrected you about that assumption.

CM



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Aparently you didn't pay much attention. There's no way a J30 set to
cruise
| for a week is going to outperform one that's ready to race.
|
| Never said that it would.
|
| RB

Bob I believe you stated they would be equal in displacement in regards to
race crew weight vs cruise weight.
I think Ole Thom corrected you about that assumption.

Nope. Not at all. People carry a lot or a little when they cruise. Doug is
doing little more than guessing at what cruising gear and supplies might
weight.
My ONLY point was that the J30 or Express 30 are still "performance" boats
compared to cruisers like the Nordic, even when loaded down for a cruise.

RB

I can't see a 30 foot boat in race trim
having more than 4 crew.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


RB

I guess that would depend on your comfort level for a week's cruise and how
many people go cruising with you. I often took 5 or 6 people out on
Overproof for a week long cruise.

6 people on a Nordic 30 for a week-long cruise?
bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

RB