Duh nice try but a week long cruise would have 30gal of water, food, clothing,
a portable TV, can goods, beer, soda, etc. etc. etc.

So all of that stuff weighs so much more than a racing crew that you're boat
becomes a slug? Carry twice the water (60 gallons) at around 500lbs. Add beer,
food and a TV...still not more than the racing crew. But lets add 400 lbs of
cracker Jacks...now how badly will your boat be effected?
Seriously, a week's supplies won't kill a J30's performance or an Express 30
for that matter. They'll still be "performance cruisers" in every respect,
beating most others.
C'mon!

RB

That's a pretty dumb post, Loco. The raced J30 would have 4 more people on
it
weighing 600-800 lbs combined.

The "racing crew" is also movable balast and improves performance. For example
it does not cause the pitching for one thing that a weeks worth of cruising
gear does. Get over it. Your post was stupid.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

RB,

Once again you show very little knowledge of cruising or racing. Along
with more water, a cruiser will carry a dingy, probably a plow anchor or
at least a larger anchor than a racer, Ice, sleeping bags, maybe a TV
and VCR, Pots, Dutch oven, Dishes, booze, oars for the dink, fishing
gear, crab pots, land nets, books, charts, propane tanks, BBQ's, full
fuel tanks, etc. These are the things that Racers remove.

Have you ever seen a racer with cockpit cushions. with storm sails. Have
you ever seen a race top off his fuel tanks before a race or hook-up
dingy outboard to the stern pulpit, Rig a bimini or a wind scoop

There is a real weight difference when a boat is rigged for racing or
for cruising

Open your eye and observe the real world of sailing. It would be more
productive than setting up phony Photo Ops of schackles on docking
Cleats with brand new spliced lines.

Make an effort to adjusting and living in the world as it exists.

Prove you wrong? Cripes it usually doesn't take more than two of your
own posting and you do it for us.

Ole Thom

The "racing crew" is also movable balast and improves performance. For example
it does not cause the pitching for one thing that a weeks worth of cruising
gear does. Get over it. Your post was stupid.

So you're saying that your boats performance edge is ruined when loaded up for
a cruise.
That's what I thought you said!

Idiot! Backed into your own corner again!

RB

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Prove you wrong? Cripes it usually doesn't take more than two of your
own posting and you do it for us.

heh heh
Thanks, OT. I enjoyed that.


Regards


Donal
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Once again you show very little knowledge of cruising or racing. Along
with more water, a cruiser will carry a dingy, probably a plow anchor or
at least a larger anchor than a racer, Ice, sleeping bags, maybe a TV
and VCR, Pots, Dutch oven, Dishes, booze, oars for the dink, fishing
gear, crab pots, land nets, books, charts, propane tanks, BBQ's, full
fuel tanks, etc.

for a week long cruise???? Oh, okay!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahaa!

RB

That's odd. At my club there are Pacific Seacraft, C&C, Pearson, Valiant,
Island Packet, J-Boat, Sweden Yachts, X Yachts, Fisher, Vindo, Bristol,
Hughes......But NO Express 30 or 35!

Not odd at all. C&Cs, J Boats, Pearsons are Chevys. There's at least 1
Pacific Seacraft, Island Packet, Bristol everywhere you go. As far as a Hughes
what the hell is it and the Vindo who cares.
The X-Yachts boat is the only cool one in the bunch.

S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

So you're saying that your boats performance edge is ruined when loaded up
for
a cruise.
That's what I thought you said!

Idiot! Backed into your own corner again!

Don't think so. I'd never get caught in a corner. I wasn't talking about my
boat or my cruising style only the average boat and the J30 in particular.
Plus I didn't even mention half the stuff the other poster mentioned. Your
original comment that a J30 outfitted for cruising would be faster than one
ready to waste will go down as one off the dumbest posts of the decade.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Your
original comment that a J30 outfitted for cruising would be faster than one
ready to waste will go down as one off the dumbest posts of the decade.

My comment was nothing of the sort. Try reading it again!

RB

And you know, without actually doing the numbers, I think Bubbles may
be close to correct.
Take off 5 or 6 bodies then fill the tanks and load on a weeks food,
and displ would be about the same.

I am correct, but Loco is also correct when he states that the "bodies"
represent a performance aid rather than imobile cargo.
Still, my main point stands.

RB