Somewhere the C&C32 may be rated at 152, but in the light air LIS they are rated 171. The
two listed race at 183 without spinnaker. I noticed two Nonsuch 30's racing at 174. I
also found a Pearson 30 racing at 183. So what you're claiming is that in a light air
round-the-buoys race, your C&C would be beat by a Nonsuch unless you used a spinnaker.
And you'd race even with your old P30.

The Nordica is rated 191 in LIS, but there are none in LIS, so we can't tell what they
would race at.

http://www.yralis.org/2003-certificates/030702class.pdf

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Wham.... Bob gets yanked out of the fighting chair again.... Read Below and
weep Bob!

Sorry again, Mooron. Your boat is rated 180-190, if I recall corectly. The
numbers are in the same ballpark as the Vindo. The C&C 32 is rated as low as
152.
Wetted surface and pointing are not listed in the your numbers. My boat would
sail circles around you.
If you truly don't know that, as Neal seems to think his Coronado is "fast"
then you can't be helped.

RB

Somewhere the C&C32 may be rated at 152, but in the light air LIS they are
rated 171.

rated 159-166 here, Jeff.
Sorry.
http://www.pipeline.com/~wayneb/phrflis.htm#j

RB

Am I missing something? The only listing for a C&C 32 is 165. However, you're using the
ratings for 1997. If you go to the current list, for 2003
http://www.yralis.org/2003/base_ratings.html
you've been down-rated to 171. Further, this is only when flying a spinnaker. Without,
your sister ships are racing at 183.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Somewhere the C&C32 may be rated at 152, but in the light air LIS they are
rated 171.

rated 159-166 here, Jeff.
Sorry.
http://www.pipeline.com/~wayneb/phrflis.htm#j

RB

rated 159-166 here, Jeff.
Sorry.
http://www.pipeline.com/~wayneb/phrflis.htm#j

Can't you read your own page of proof. Your like a bad lawyer. I only see
165.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

And you'd race even with your old P30.

So, Jeff...you think a Pearson 30 is faster than a C&C 32???

RB

No, you're the person trying to prove your boat speed by using PHRF ratings. I just point
out that your new boat and your old boat are racing in your area with the same handicap.

Further, two Nonsuch 30's, generally considered light air dogs, and not very good for
round the buoy racing, are actually racing with a much lower handicap than your boat does.

And even the Nordica 30 isn't that far off.

All you've done is showed that your boat might not be as fast as you keep claiming it is.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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And you'd race even with your old P30.

So, Jeff...you think a Pearson 30 is faster than a C&C 32???

RB

No, you're the person trying to prove your boat speed by using PHRF ratings. I
just point

Oh, so then you agree with me. Thanks.

RB

I haven't agreed with anything. You just seem to think PHRF is an absolute speed rating.
However, your local race committee rates their C&C 32's particularly slow - slower than
most other boats over 30 feet. Slower than every Benneteau over 28.5 feet. Slower than
most of the C&C 27's. Slower than a Cat-30 with the tall rig, and all larger Catalina's.
Slower than every Hunter over 30 feet. Slower than all the Nonsuch's. Slower than the
Pearson's and Rangers over 30 feet. Slower than Sabres down to 30 feet. Slower than
almost every Tartan down to 30 feet. And its hardly worth mentioning that you're slower
than every J, X, Mumm, Soverel, Express, etc.

So what boat is slower than a C&C 32? A number of boats 30 feet and less will be a few
seconds slower. And there are a few isolated boats that got special handicaps because of
a very limited sail inventory, etc.

But it looks like the C&C 32 is virtually the slowest boat over 30 feet in Long Island
Sound.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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No, you're the person trying to prove your boat speed by using PHRF ratings. I
just point

Oh, so then you agree with me. Thanks.

RB

But it looks like the C&C 32 is virtually the slowest boat over 30 feet in
Long Island Sound.

But he said he did 11kts! Aparently the matrix is not LIS.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport