On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America
regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.


And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world.
Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.
That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing
instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities...

As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was,
in China and in other places.

On 4/25/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote:

Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.

Where?

In article ,
says...

On 4/25/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote:

Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.

Where?

I'd like to see a list of them and a report from an independent outside
auditor.

On 25/04/2011 11:29 AM, Despot wrote:
On 4/25/2011 11:50 AM, Harryk wrote:

Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.

Where?

Well run to harryk is a sink hole for money, like GM, GMAC, Fannie Mae,
Freddie Mac and others.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America
regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.


And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world.
Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.
That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing
instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities...

As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was,
in China and in other places.

Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The
first one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America
regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.


And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world.
Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.
That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing
instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities...

As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was,
in China and in other places.

Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first
one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either.



I don't have any serious issues with modern European socialism, as
practiced in Scandinavia. I have friends there who are educated, middle
class types. They have jobs, good health care bennies, their kids go to
college for "almost free," and they have a decent retirement.

On 25/04/2011 2:54 PM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America
regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy
owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth
Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.


And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world.
Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.
That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing
instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities...

As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was,
in China and in other places.

Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first
one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either.

I don't have any serious issues with modern European socialism, as
practiced in Scandinavia. I have friends there who are educated, middle
class types. They have jobs, good health care bennies, their kids go to
college for "almost free," and they have a decent retirement.

I lived in Norway for awhile in the early 80's. Great place to visit
but I sure would not want to live there. Prices of stuff like a beer
were more then than in the US today.

As long as you don't burn gas, don't have a boat, don't drink or smoke,
don't want a nice vehicle, don't mind 65% tax rate -- essentially
working for the government without the benefits....Norway is for you.
People are nice...but they are economically repressed.

But that is the bad part. The good part is I can see the attraction
provided the government isn't corrupt and you are a herd animal. And
some of the governments in that area are not corrupt. That is, they
don't bamboozle people retirement, work 40 years and it isn't there kind
of crap that so many other governments are doing. Or should I say
haven't bamboozled yet as invariably...

Real problem here is trust in government. Given mankind's overall
historical track records with governments, they all become corrupt in
given time.

I rather trust in my name, in my account and in may name for all matters
pension. Saved my tail too, was out of NorTel in 1995 before the 3
write downs and a wipe out. Just wish I could do the same with CPP/SS.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 2:54 PM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/04/2011 9:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America
regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with
Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy
owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth
Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.


And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world.
Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.
That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing
instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities...

As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never
was,
in China and in other places.

Ya, but you vote for USSR -- United States Socialist Republic. The first
one failed, the second one isn't going to last long either.

I don't have any serious issues with modern European socialism, as
practiced in Scandinavia. I have friends there who are educated, middle
class types. They have jobs, good health care bennies, their kids go to
college for "almost free," and they have a decent retirement.

I lived in Norway for awhile in the early 80's. Great place to visit but
I sure would not want to live there. Prices of stuff like a beer were
more then than in the US today.

As long as you don't burn gas, don't have a boat, don't drink or smoke,
don't want a nice vehicle, don't mind 65% tax rate -- essentially
working for the government without the benefits....Norway is for you.
People are nice...but they are economically repressed.

But that is the bad part. The good part is I can see the attraction
provided the government isn't corrupt and you are a herd animal. And
some of the governments in that area are not corrupt. That is, they
don't bamboozle people retirement, work 40 years and it isn't there kind
of crap that so many other governments are doing. Or should I say
haven't bamboozled yet as invariably...

Real problem here is trust in government. Given mankind's overall
historical track records with governments, they all become corrupt in
given time.

I rather trust in my name, in my account and in may name for all matters
pension. Saved my tail too, was out of NorTel in 1995 before the 3 write
downs and a wipe out. Just wish I could do the same with CPP/SS.



My Norwegian friends are as middle class as it gets. Two of them own
nice homes, one has two cars, the other one car. Their kids have either
finished college or are close to it. They have no worries about medical
bills or a decent retirement. Both are or were oil platform workers. One
was seriously injured some years ago. and the government paid for him to
attend college and sustain his family until he could earn a teaching
degree.

In this country, the injured guy would have been pushed to the curb and
forgotten.