BAR wrote:


They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.

Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it
usually gets its way.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

BAR wrote:
In articleTtudndrW4ch87ijQnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
BAR wrote:
In articleHs6dnccI4r3x1yjQnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
Corporations are not, like any individual, entitled to commit treason
with impunity.... no matter how important profit is, to some self
centered investors...

How unAmerican of you, Gene! :)
Don't you believe in corporations über alles?

I believe we need to "restructure" certain aspects of our society, and
part of that restructuring should be how we handle leases to explore and
drill for oil and natural gas.

There's nothing sacred about for-profit corporations. That model isn't
working anymore for us. It's milking the middle class dry and
accelerating the transfer of wealth to the very rich.

There are any number of oil-producing countries in which ownership of
that asset is retained by the state, and the revenues used to finance
the government. The problem here is that Americans have been brainwashed
into thinking the price-fixing, for-profit private sector that dominates
the energy business is the only way to do that sort of business.
This collectivization thing was tried before and it failed miserable.
Also, government control of all industry has failed miserable too.


Again, lack of education and deficits in your knowledge base of "current
events" have done you in. As I stated, "There are any number of
oil-producing countries in which ownership of that asset is retained by
the state, and the revenues used to finance the government."

Yeah right. Where is the line Harry, where is the line of good
corporations and bad corporations? When does a corporation go from being
a bad corporation to being a good lackey of the government?

I'm not talking about the failed Communist states here, Bertie. But you
think I am.

Shouldn't the government be running all farming? Shouldn't the
government be running al agriculture? What about fishing? Should we be
paying mother nature in whatever currency she wants to take her bounty?


Reductio ad absurdum.

Although I do believe we need to be much more careful about the
environment so that we continue to have a "nature" that produces bounty
for us.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:


They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.

Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it
usually gets its way.

Go tell it to someone who will believe you.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one
closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I
have been funding my own retirement.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

Union corruption is notorious and rampant.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update

BAR wrote:
In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...
BAR wrote:

They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.
Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it
usually gets its way.

Go tell it to someone who will believe you.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one
closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I
have been funding my own retirement.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

Union corruption is notorious and rampant.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update



I didn't say there was "no" union corruption. I said it paled in
comparison to corporate corruption.

BTW, your cite proves my point:


Former Glass Workers President in Florida Sentenced
Submitted by Carl Horowitz on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 17:39

Glass Workers (GMP) On February 2, Karl Youngerman, former president of
Glass, Molders, Pottery, Plastics & Allied Workers International Union
Local 208, was sentenced in U.S. District Court for the Middle District
of Florida to five years probation for conspiracy to embezzle funds from
the Bradenton union in the amount of $18,218.91. He also was ordered to
pay restitution in that amount to Fidelity and Deposit Company of
Maryland. Youngerman had pleaded guilty in November. The guilty plea and
sentencing follow an investigation by the Labor Department's Office of
Labor-Management Standards.

---

Fidelity is the bonding company. It went after Youngerman, just as I
said the bonding companies do.

On 4/25/2011 10:27 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:


They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.

Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it
usually gets its way.

Go tell it to someone who will believe you.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one
closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I
have been funding my own retirement.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

Union corruption is notorious and rampant.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update



This is particularly disturbing. I wonder if Obama will sit down with
the members for a beer and a chat?
http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update

On 4/25/2011 11:16 AM, OmDeFlume wrote:
On 4/25/2011 10:27 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleZ8ydnbWCF5ea5yjQnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink .com, payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:


They must have finally learned from the Union bookkeepers. How to
raid a
union pension fund and strike fund without going to jail.

Once again, you are betraying your ignorance. *All* union pension fund
officers have to be bonded. If there is a discrepancy in the pension
funds, the bonding company has to make it good. As it does, it gets in
contact with the prosecutors and pushes for criminal prosecution, and it
usually gets its way.

Go tell it to someone who will believe you.

Further, because of the difficulty of being in full compliance with all
the federal laws that pertain to pension funds, most union pension funds
retain professional administrators to handle the money and agree on
pension investments. These administrators are well aware of the many
federal regulations that pertain to pension funds, and they don't want
to go to jail, either.

Again, go tell it to someone who will believe you.

When you think of pension fund raiders, you should think of those
corporations that never bothered to fund their pension liabilities and
leave their retiring employees holding an empty bag. Or the corporations
that go bankrupt and leave their pensioned employees and future
pensioned employees holding an empty bag.

I haven't been covered by a pension plan since 1986. When that one
closed down I used the money I received to start my IRA. Since then I
have been funding my own retirement.

All the union financial corruption in this country since the beginning
of unions here is a drop in the bucket compared to the dollar value of
corporate corruption and Wall Street corruption.

Union corruption is notorious and rampant.

http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update



This is particularly disturbing. I wonder if Obama will sit down with
the members for a beer and a chat?
http://nlpc.org/union-corruption-update

I intended for you to see the UAW video. You need to scroll down a bit
to view it.

On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America
regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.


And once again you demonstrate how little you know of the real world.
Further, many of the state-owned companies are marvels of efficiency.
That said, the PRC is a communist country and there are continuing
instances of near slave labor factories and other facilities...

As for Marxism, well, a lot passes for Marxism, but isn't and never was,
in China and in other places.

In article ,
says...

On 24/04/2011 8:29 PM, Lil Abner wrote:
On 4/23/2011 7:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:33:15 -0400, Lil wrote:


Obama's oufit and Ayers has an agenda to socialize America regardless of
or in spite of the cost to Middle America. They are in bed with Wall
Street on many issues.

face it. how can obama be BOTH a socialist AND a wall street pawn??

you right wingers are SSOOO stupid

in addition it's the RIGHT that deregulated us into a plutocracy owned
by wall street
How can China be Marxist and Capitalist.
There are many apparent contradictions.
Webster doesn't fit all the scenarios.
The essence is herd the people for the socialist cause.
Manage The People for the benefit of the upper regions of wealth Supply
Side economics/govt. Corporatism.
We seem to be receiving from both camps.
Nothing like poor, discontented, crowded, but well monitored flexible
labor pool for both camps.
is this utopia or what?

It would be better to coin China an Authoritarian-capitalist society.
Not sure there is much Marxism there at all, in fact there is more in
the US as the US owns an auto manufacturer.

What do you call keeping the Chinese army busy by forcing them to work
in manufacturing facilities. I guess when you have a 2.3 million strong
army you need to cloth, feed and occupy them somehow. Better not give
them weapons with live ammo too often.

On 24/04/2011 8:25 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:19:24 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/04/2011 5:42 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:53:45 -0600,
wrote:


So why would you control private business? So it can be as efficient at
disposing of money as Government Motors?

let's see...in the last 3 years, efficient private business cost the
US TEN TRILLION in national wealth.

so much for THAT little piece of right wing bull****

Market was overdosed on DEBT bubble, and it burst. Market just reacted.

yep.the right wing deregulated the financial markets and ran the debt
market up to stratospheric levels

more reason we need to regulate wall street


But I will thank our liberal leftie money for nothing debtors...it
presented a once in a lifetime buying opportunity. But then, that is
the difference between the seasoned investor and a knee jerk.

gee. what did the liberal left do?

you keep bleating this. but never get into specifics.

is that because you're a racist who hates obama or because you're too
stupid to know it was CONSERVATIVES who engineered the destruction of
the US?



The fact that so many were blinded by liberalism debt greed, well, isn't
a righties fault. Just envy on the left as many sold at the bottom when
they should have been buying....but then again they had too much DEBT.

more cliches

any specifics?

no. i thought not. you ahve glen beck and rush and all the right wing
blather

and NO specifics at all. none

Funny, your own government screws you with letting banks screw up, and
in fact government is one of the biggest delinquent debtors in the world
and you blame wall street.

What do you mean by specifics? Stock symbols? Take your pick. 9/10
stocks or better bough Jan-Mar 2009 are now up big time. But does help
when you pick some like TCK-B. But doesn't have to be that good to make
money.

Yep, while liberals and fleabagger were whining, crying, running with
fear I cleaned up.

Who has the largest debt in the world and hasn't make any serious
repayments in over 3 decades? USA Government. Who indirectly sets
interest rates? The government. Who said liberalized bad credit rules
and low down was OK for the banks? Government.

You will fix nothing until you fix the biggest problem of them all,
Washington DC - The USA Government. Now printing more new fiat no-value
inflationary dollars than Americans consume in sheets of toilet paper.
And you don't see the problem?

Don't worry, you are part of a group known as dumbsh1t fleabaggers.
Your need for greed, denialism, outweigh your ability to rationalize. A
disease really. Fleabaggers disease.

As for race, I thought fleabaggers came in all colors. So for Obama are
you saying his color is an excuse or a reason?
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.