On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:48 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:32:45 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:28:16 -0400, wf3h wrote:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:31:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Of course Obama blames "speculators" because that is ALWAYS the reason
why gas costs anything. It is a bit like saying the sky is blue
because it bluish colored. However, what Obama actually means is that
in this context, "speculators" is a code word for "reaql

uh no. it's speculators. they caused a similar run up under the white
guy who preceded the guy you hate because he's black

Damn speculators.

Why aren't more people doing it? Let's go halves on a tanker load and
resell it on EBAY. Anybody else want in on the deal? We're going to
need a dock, tank farm, distribution network, trucks, pipelines and a
whole sh*t load of permits. With some help from Wall Street we can
probably get 90 day financing.

Sorry, you are too late..... the guys that already had all of that are
reaping all the profits...... re-read that thing about frugality....
proactiveness is number one.....

now they have to run to the GOP to get a tax break on the profits.
leona helmsley is a god to the GOP. 'only the little people pay taxes'

On 24/04/2011 6:54 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:48 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:32:45 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:28:16 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:31:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Of course Obama blames "speculators" because that is ALWAYS the reason
why gas costs anything. It is a bit like saying the sky is blue
because it bluish colored. However, what Obama actually means is that
in this context, "speculators" is a code word for "reaql

uh no. it's speculators. they caused a similar run up under the white
guy who preceded the guy you hate because he's black

Damn speculators.

Why aren't more people doing it? Let's go halves on a tanker load and
resell it on EBAY. Anybody else want in on the deal? We're going to
need a dock, tank farm, distribution network, trucks, pipelines and a
whole sh*t load of permits. With some help from Wall Street we can
probably get 90 day financing.

Sorry, you are too late..... the guys that already had all of that are
reaping all the profits...... re-read that thing about frugality....
proactiveness is number one.....

now they have to run to the GOP to get a tax break on the profits.
leona helmsley is a god to the GOP. 'only the little people pay taxes'

Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing
do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit?

No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But
will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust.

Yep, it was a democrat supporter that coined "We don't pay taxes. Only
the little people pay taxes.". Look it up, she loved Jimmy Carter,
democrat. Go figure.

So if you think Leona is GOP, please cite as I say BS to to. She was a
democrat.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:46:42 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/04/2011 6:54 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:48 -0400, Gene
wrote:


Sorry, you are too late..... the guys that already had all of that are
reaping all the profits...... re-read that thing about frugality....
proactiveness is number one.....

now they have to run to the GOP to get a tax break on the profits.
leona helmsley is a god to the GOP. 'only the little people pay taxes'

Nothing wrong with profits, after all you don't go to work for nothing
do you? So why should my capital go to work unless I make a profit?

profits are not bad. what we have in the US is profits for the few and
risk for the many

the right wing enables this by continuing to assert that the rich are
rich because, in the US, you're rich because you 'work hard' or you're
'smarter' or some other such bull****

the OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE shows this is WRONG. but the right continues to
believe this MYTH


No doubt, the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley was one mean bitch. But
will say his she left $4 billion into a charity trust.

and what was her use of money after she was dead? fine. let's get more
dead rich people. sounds like a great idea


Yep, it was a democrat supporter that coined "We don't pay taxes. Only
the little people pay taxes.". Look it up, she loved Jimmy Carter,
democrat. Go figure.

So if you think Leona is GOP, please cite as I say BS to to. She was a
democrat.


which has ZIP to do with the fact the GOP has deregulated wall street
to the point that bankrupting the US is legal

and the right wing supports this.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:48 -0400, Gene
wrote:

uh no. it's speculators. they caused a similar run up under the white
guy who preceded the guy you hate because he's black

Damn speculators.

Why aren't more people doing it? Let's go halves on a tanker load and
resell it on EBAY. Anybody else want in on the deal? We're going to
need a dock, tank farm, distribution network, trucks, pipelines and a
whole sh*t load of permits. With some help from Wall Street we can
probably get 90 day financing.

Sorry, you are too late..... the guys that already had all of that are
reaping all the profits...... re-read that thing about frugality....
proactiveness is number one.....

Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk
and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the
infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those
investments expect to earn a profit once in a while.

Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:48 -0400, Gene
wrote:

uh no. it's speculators. they caused a similar run up under the white
guy who preceded the guy you hate because he's black
Damn speculators.

Why aren't more people doing it? Let's go halves on a tanker load and
resell it on EBAY. Anybody else want in on the deal? We're going to
need a dock, tank farm, distribution network, trucks, pipelines and a
whole sh*t load of permits. With some help from Wall Street we can
probably get 90 day financing.
Sorry, you are too late..... the guys that already had all of that are
reaping all the profits...... re-read that thing about frugality....
proactiveness is number one.....

Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk
and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the
infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those
investments expect to earn a profit once in a while.



I haven't seen anyone suggesting earning a profit is illegal or immoral.
Questions arise when those profits become synonymous with rip-off, and
that's what the petrol industry is doing, ripping us off.

In article , payer3389
@mypacks.net says...

Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:48 -0400, Gene
wrote:

uh no. it's speculators. they caused a similar run up under the white
guy who preceded the guy you hate because he's black
Damn speculators.

Why aren't more people doing it? Let's go halves on a tanker load and
resell it on EBAY. Anybody else want in on the deal? We're going to
need a dock, tank farm, distribution network, trucks, pipelines and a
whole sh*t load of permits. With some help from Wall Street we can
probably get 90 day financing.
Sorry, you are too late..... the guys that already had all of that are
reaping all the profits...... re-read that thing about frugality....
proactiveness is number one.....

Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk
and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the
infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those
investments expect to earn a profit once in a while.



I haven't seen anyone suggesting earning a profit is illegal or immoral.
Questions arise when those profits become synonymous with rip-off, and
that's what the petrol industry is doing, ripping us off.

Where do you draw the line? When do profits become synonymous with rip-
off?

What happens if you find out that some other industry is not ripping you
off but is over the line in profits?

On 24/04/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 08:36:48 -0400, Gene
wrote:

uh no. it's speculators. they caused a similar run up under the white
guy who preceded the guy you hate because he's black
Damn speculators.

Why aren't more people doing it? Let's go halves on a tanker load and
resell it on EBAY. Anybody else want in on the deal? We're going to
need a dock, tank farm, distribution network, trucks, pipelines and a
whole sh*t load of permits. With some help from Wall Street we can
probably get 90 day financing.
Sorry, you are too late..... the guys that already had all of that are
reaping all the profits...... re-read that thing about frugality....
proactiveness is number one.....

Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk
and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the
infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those
investments expect to earn a profit once in a while.



I haven't seen anyone suggesting earning a profit is illegal or immoral.
Questions arise when those profits become synonymous with rip-off, and
that's what the petrol industry is doing, ripping us off.

How so? When US OilCo goes out and buys oil to make fuels...they need
to buy it at what producers will sell it for.

If you slugs will not pay for it, consumption is reduced and the price
will stabilize.

So pay, produce your own oil or walk. I might suggest walking, get the
fat off the brain.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:41:35 -0400, Gene
wrote:

Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk
and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the
infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those
investments expect to earn a profit once in a while.

"A profit once in a while.....?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/business/01oil.html
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-04...ution-while-am
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/29/news...xxon/index.htm
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...anies/profits/

The oil companies and speculators are almost single-handedly
preventing an economic recovery.... and they are being paid handsomely
to do so..... and you are DEFENDING that?

Incredible.....

It's a very cyclical business and no one feels sorry for Exxon when
they have stagnant growth, or even worse, when they fail to discover
enough new oil to replace what they sold. Unfortunately that is what
is happening. It is probably reasonable to assume that as their
exploration and acquisition costs go up, and as their reserves go
down, they will want a higher price for the product.

In the interest of full disclosure, I own stock in both Exxon and
Chevron-Texaco. Their annual reports make interesting reading and
the future for energy prices is not good.

Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:41:35 -0400, Gene
wrote:

Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk
and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the
infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those
investments expect to earn a profit once in a while.
"A profit once in a while.....?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/business/01oil.html
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-04...ution-while-am
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/29/news...xxon/index.htm
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...anies/profits/

The oil companies and speculators are almost single-handedly
preventing an economic recovery.... and they are being paid handsomely
to do so..... and you are DEFENDING that?

Incredible.....

It's a very cyclical business and no one feels sorry for Exxon when
they have stagnant growth, or even worse, when they fail to discover
enough new oil to replace what they sold. Unfortunately that is what
is happening. It is probably reasonable to assume that as their
exploration and acquisition costs go up, and as their reserves go
down, they will want a higher price for the product.

In the interest of full disclosure, I own stock in both Exxon and
Chevron-Texaco. Their annual reports make interesting reading and
the future for energy prices is not good.


Well, then, we should keep Exxon and Chevron in our prayers, so they can
continue to rape us while paying you dividends.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:39:41 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 18:25:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:41:35 -0400, Gene
wrote:

Holding a big inventory of oil in your tank farm is not without risk
and it takes massive investments in time and money to build the
infrastructure. Not surprisingly, the people who make those
investments expect to earn a profit once in a while.

"A profit once in a while.....?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/business/01oil.html
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-04...ution-while-am
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/29/news...xxon/index.htm
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...anies/profits/

The oil companies and speculators are almost single-handedly
preventing an economic recovery.... and they are being paid handsomely
to do so..... and you are DEFENDING that?

Incredible.....

It's a very cyclical business and no one feels sorry for Exxon when
they have stagnant growth, or even worse, when they fail to discover
enough new oil to replace what they sold. Unfortunately that is what
is happening. It is probably reasonable to assume that as their
exploration and acquisition costs go up, and as their reserves go
down, they will want a higher price for the product.

In the interest of full disclosure, I own stock in both Exxon and
Chevron-Texaco. Their annual reports make interesting reading and
the future for energy prices is not good.

Somehow, you are missing the reality that when Exxon loses money, the
stockholders are ****ed..... when Exxon continues to make record
profits in an otherwise miserable economy, they are sticking it to all
of the users of gasoline.... one way or the other, the entire
American population.... and to the entire American economy....

Let's not forget that they are entitled to make a profit no matter how
miserable the economy might be. Their costs are going up, way up.
Our cost will go up also. The dollar continues to depreciate.
That's a result of our fiscal policies and upside down balance of
payments. A strong dollar would result in cheaper oil, and that is
what we've been used to in the past.