On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:


Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Never been stopped in my 33 foot sailboat in Toronto, have been
stopped twice in the Inner Harbour in my Zodiac by Metro Marine (water
cops, local, but using federal safety regs at hand). They've seemed
faintly disappointed, particularly given my piratical appearance, to
find a proper PFD, bailer, heaving line, flares, signalling device,
handheld VHF, GPS and extra oars, boat hook and engine spares aboard
my 10 foot RIB.

Thank goodness they weren't looking for dope G.

R.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Lloyd
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Hmm. Try living in the State of Victoria, Australia. Our State Gov
just sees yachties and boaties as a revenue stream. You need a
liscence for your boat (we get around that since we're registered as a
ship with the Commonwealth Gov) plus a personal annual liscence for
anyone who might move the boat under power. Serious penalties if you
let an unliscenced friend "have a go" one day. The test itself has
nothing to do with driving a boat! Oh, and fishing permits of course.

And you can be stopped by the Water Police, Coatguard and Fisheries.

We've been stopped a few times because we don't have the State boat
liscence showing. We point out we don't need one and that we have the
ships number on our stern. They tell us it is too small - it is if it
were a State registration number, but it's fine as a Commonwealth
registration. We show them our letter from the State Marine Board
confirming we are exempt from the State liscence. To protect it, it's
sealed in clear plastic - they complain they can't check it's legit.

To make themselves feel useful, they check the safety gear ("Yes, the
fire blanket is up to date with its certification") and sometimes
breathalyse you for good measure before zooming off.

I have no problem with safety gear checks. Our Water Police are
bloody good, but I feel realy sorry them being dragged into this
paperwork war so the fat pollie cats in Spring Street can go on
another fact finding misson to Barbados!

Peter

www.oceanodyssey.net

Peter & Jean looking for sponsors for the Melbourne-Osaka in 2007, and
promising we will get round to updating our website this year.

"Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:03 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Lloyd
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Hmm. Try living in the State of Victoria, Australia. Our State Gov
just sees yachties and boaties as a revenue stream. You need a
liscence for your boat (we get around that since we're registered as a
ship with the Commonwealth Gov) plus a personal annual liscence for
anyone who might move the boat under power. Serious penalties if you
let an unliscenced friend "have a go" one day. The test itself has
nothing to do with driving a boat! Oh, and fishing permits of course.

And you can be stopped by the Water Police, Coatguard and Fisheries.

We've been stopped a few times because we don't have the State boat
liscence showing. We point out we don't need one and that we have the
ships number on our stern. They tell us it is too small - it is if it
were a State registration number, but it's fine as a Commonwealth
registration. We show them our letter from the State Marine Board
confirming we are exempt from the State liscence. To protect it, it's
sealed in clear plastic - they complain they can't check it's legit.

To make themselves feel useful, they check the safety gear ("Yes, the
fire blanket is up to date with its certification") and sometimes
breathalyse you for good measure before zooming off.

I have no problem with safety gear checks. Our Water Police are
bloody good, but I feel realy sorry them being dragged into this
paperwork war so the fat pollie cats in Spring Street can go on
another fact finding misson to Barbados!

Peter

www.oceanodyssey.net

Peter & Jean looking for sponsors for the Melbourne-Osaka in 2007, and
promising we will get round to updating our website this year.

"Do not measure your life by the number of breaths you take,
Rather by the number of times life just takes your breath away"

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:49:30 +0000, Larry W4CSC wrote:

(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX safe
boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many times a month
does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides, the 2004 USCGAUX decal
has an isnurance company's name printed on it. I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you can't
see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran over them.
They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI Joe.


Wow - am I ever glad I live in Canada! I've NEVER been stopped or boarded: not
in 40 years of boating on everything from runabouts to skiffs to dinghies to
36-ft sailboats.

(I've also never been asked for my fishing license. Go figure...)

Lloyd
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Around the Kemah / Galveston Bay area, the best way to be boarded is to have
a bunch of bikinis or even less scantily clad beauties in plain view. That's
about all the watercops pay any attention to around here. You could scream
through the no wake zone at 50 mph and they couldn't care less... I guess
the equivalent of doughnut shops on the water.

--


Keith
__
'No, `Eureka' is Greek for `this bath is too hot.'' -- Dr. Who
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX
safe boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many
times a month does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides,
the 2004 USCGAUX decal has an isnurance company's name printed on it.
I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several
police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you
can't see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran
over
them. They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI
Joe.

My little yellow Sea Rayder had the USCG-AUX current decal on it and I
even
pointed it out to the Coasties. It meant nothing and was a waste of my
boating time to get the boat inspected. The inspection report from the
Coasties WAS worth keeping, however. I kept it handy at the helm to show
the other bureaucrats and they accepted the inspection report, even if it
were a few months old. I simply offered it with my driver's license and
the boat tax verification (registration) card. Showing it passed, only a
few went snooping around in the engine/storage compartment to make sure I
wasn't trying to sneak any Budweiser across the boarder from Mt Pleasant.

Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised
drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license
office.......

Larry W4CSC

Around the Kemah / Galveston Bay area, the best way to be boarded is to have
a bunch of bikinis or even less scantily clad beauties in plain view. That's
about all the watercops pay any attention to around here. You could scream
through the no wake zone at 50 mph and they couldn't care less... I guess
the equivalent of doughnut shops on the water.

--


Keith
__
'No, `Eureka' is Greek for `this bath is too hot.'' -- Dr. Who
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
(Capt Lou) wrote in
:

If the Coast Guard continues to board vessels with the latest CGAUX
safe boating decals displayed, why bother getting a decal? How many
times a month does a boat need to be boarded and inspected? Besides,
the 2004 USCGAUX decal has an isnurance company's name printed on it.
I am cutting it off of mine.


You should own a jetboat in Charleston, Capt Lou. There are several
police
bureaucracies all looking for targets:
City of Charleston
County of Charleston
USCG
Dept of Natural Resources dressed up like SWAT teams in camo'd boats you
can't see in the dark trying to kill themselves and the person who ran
over
them. They think Wappoo Cut is in the Mekong Delta and are playing GI
Joe.

My little yellow Sea Rayder had the USCG-AUX current decal on it and I
even
pointed it out to the Coasties. It meant nothing and was a waste of my
boating time to get the boat inspected. The inspection report from the
Coasties WAS worth keeping, however. I kept it handy at the helm to show
the other bureaucrats and they accepted the inspection report, even if it
were a few months old. I simply offered it with my driver's license and
the boat tax verification (registration) card. Showing it passed, only a
few went snooping around in the engine/storage compartment to make sure I
wasn't trying to sneak any Budweiser across the boarder from Mt Pleasant.

Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised
drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license
office.......

Larry W4CSC

Larry,
I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism.
Paul

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
snipped
Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised
drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license
office.......

Larry W4CSC

USCG inspections and their legal power to do them have been a reality
for many years and have little to do with Homeland "Security". In fact,
with the new burdens and meager funding increase the CG will be hard
pressed to do as many as they have in the past.

Paul Schilter wrote:
Larry,
I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism.
Paul

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
snipped

Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised

drug

raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license

office.......

Larry W4CSC




--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

Which rights, specifically were revoked?


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Larry,
I hear ya, our rights are being revoked, all in the name of terrorism.
Paul

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
snipped
Many of the unconstitutional stops-for-no-reason were thinly disguised
drug
raids without warrant or valid reasons. They dug around in the boat, I
think, because there were teens aboard my boat.

It's nonsense and ought to be stopped. I don't remember signing away
any
of the Amendments to our Constitution at the DNR boat license
office.......

Larry W4CSC

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:48:27 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
wrote (with possible editing):

Which rights, specifically were revoked?

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons,
houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and
seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon
probably cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be
seized.


Some would also say:

Amendment VIII - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive
fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Btw, no flame intended here. I personally believe when Ashcroft
proposed Patriot Act I and the provisions of Patriot Act II which were
subsequently buried in other legislation, he crossed the line.
--

Larry
Email to rapp at lmr dot com