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Gary wrote:
Roger Long wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote



Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.


Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical.


You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse
is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough
against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the
situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read
in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in
situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of
those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could
have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been
out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.

It's funny how these things always seem to happen to you. What was it
last time, a small ferry?

Gary

Thanks for the heads-up, Roger - we'll keep an eye out. Makes me shudder
to think of being out in a kayak when that guy is in Maine.

It would be nice if more people considered the consequences of their wakes.
We have a handful of large vessels, such as the "Pink Lady" out of Boothbay,
that can make life pretty exciting sometimes. One neighbor had his 17'
outboard wrecked, while on the dock. Of course no one was watching it at
that moment, so there was no "proof" that the only large vessel to pass by
was at fault...

It is entirely possible that there will be children or less-experienced
adults in small boats, or along the shoreline; on a calm day some of the
wakes exceed what we see in the stormiest conditions. Vessels and
experience should be appropriate for the conditions you are likely to run
into, but this doesn't mean we must all be prepared for a 4' wake at all
times.

Sal's Dad

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Gary wrote:
Roger Long wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote



Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.


Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.

Yup. That looks like it.

--

Roger Long



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Gary wrote:
Roger Long wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote



Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as
just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours.
It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a
confined
area where you could lose control.


Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about
the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting
soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of
an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could
have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked
down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the
proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes
critical.


You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned,
pilothouse
is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far
enough
against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on
the
situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I
read
in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in
situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the
ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another
of
those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he
could
have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't
been
out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.

It's funny how these things always seem to happen to you. What was
it
last time, a small ferry?

Gary

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them.

I think that's the wrong way to look at the situation. An oncoming
sailboat can be a confusing situation and it is better to state your
intentions sooner rather than later. What if the oncoming boat had
been a freighter instead of a mega yacht, how would you view the
situation in that case? Neither will turn or stop on a dime. If you
want to receive courtesy from a power boat you must be prepared to
give it also.

"Wayne.B" wrote

been a freighter instead of a mega yacht, how would you view the
situation in that case? Neither will turn or stop on a dime.

"turn or stop on a dime" is an inapplicable exaggeration that confuses
the issue in this case. Even a freighter could have made the 1 degree
course change (with the nearest obstruction in that direction a place
where they don't speak English) that would have resolved this
situation without radio chatter. At 160 feet, this vessel could have
done circles around me if they wanted to take a close look.

--

Roger Long

In article ,
says...
"Wayne.B" wrote
SNIP
As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of
those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could
have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been
out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.


Yes, but the Coast Guard recording of your call on channel 16
might be a fine companion to your pictures in a report. ;-)


Mark Borgerson

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote


Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.

Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical.

You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse
is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough
against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the
situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read
in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in
situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of
those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could
have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been
out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.

Well, it takes two to tango, and your last paragraph proves it.

You made no effort to contact them!?

Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror.

Capt. Bill wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote



Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.

Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have
been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down
or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical.


You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse
is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough
against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the
situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read
in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in
situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball
enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of
those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could
have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been
out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.


Well, it takes two to tango, and your last paragraph proves it.

You made no effort to contact them!?

Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror.
Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude.

Gary

--

Roger Long



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Capt. Bill wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long"

wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote



Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as
just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours.
It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.

Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the
wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel
passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some
finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked.
Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an
issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could
have been one of many people out there that could have gotten
knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again.


With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger
signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper
course of action, preferably before the situation becomes
critical.


You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned,
pilothouse is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry
far enough against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial
influence on the situation? Back when I used blow horns because I
believed what I read in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed
to hear them in situations like this.

As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss
seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the
ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was
another of those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I
doubt he could have understood the handheld out in the wind even if
he hadn't been out on the bridge wing sucking a cig.


Well, it takes two to tango, and your last paragraph proves it. You
made no effort to contact them!? Time to stop your bitch'n and take
a look in the mirror.
Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude.

Gary

"Gary" and "Bill" wrote
You made no effort to contact them?"
Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror.
Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude.

Gary

Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand
it for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open
water. If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in
every situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in
edgewise.

If a vessel clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly
violating the right of way rules, why waste time on the radio?
Easier, especially single handed in strong winds, to just shrug and
divert. The guy who was dressed like a captain was out on the bridge
wing. By the time he heard the radio or someone came out to tell him
there was a call, it could have been too late for a safe course change
by me.

This was just a big recreational powerboat, remember. Large
commercial vessels can be counted on to maintain a watch and respond
crisply.

I'm not bitching, just warning. This was a non-event for me except
for having to sheet everything flat again single-handed in a strong
wind. Plenty of people out there that this could have been a set up
for a problem though.

--

Roger Long