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Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
-- Roger Long "Gary" wrote in message news:CzWxg.242858$iF6.196743@pd7tw2no... Capt. Bill wrote: On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:08:23 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours. It is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined area where you could lose control. Agreed and I am not a wake nazi. But we're talking here about the wake within the first two or three waves as a result of a vessel passing far closer than is prudent. No danger but it took some finesse in those conditions to get through without getting soaked. Actually, the wind blanketing of the close approach was more of an issue. I can coax a boat through just about anything but I could have been one of many people out there that could have gotten knocked down or backed trying to get the boat moving again. With regard to the right of way situation, did you sound a danger signal or attempt contact on channel 13 or 16? That is the proper course of action, preferably before the situation becomes critical. You really think someone in a an enclosed, air conditioned, pilothouse is going to hear the pipsqueak horn a sailboat can carry far enough against a 20 -25 knot wind to have any beneficial influence on the situation? Back when I used blow horns because I believed what I read in books, I never noticed that anyone seemed to hear them in situations like this. As for the radio, my theory is that someone oblivious enough miss seeing a 32 foot sailboat directly ahead isn't going to be on the ball enough that I want to waste time talking to them. It was another of those days when I was using both hands for the boat. I doubt he could have understood the handheld out in the wind even if he hadn't been out on the bridge wing sucking a cig. Well, it takes two to tango, and your last paragraph proves it. You made no effort to contact them!? Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror. Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude. Gary |
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"Gary" and "Bill" wrote
You made no effort to contact them?" Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror. Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude. Gary Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand it for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open water. If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in every situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in edgewise. If a vessel clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly violating the right of way rules, why waste time on the radio? Easier, especially single handed in strong winds, to just shrug and divert. The guy who was dressed like a captain was out on the bridge wing. By the time he heard the radio or someone came out to tell him there was a call, it could have been too late for a safe course change by me. This was just a big recreational powerboat, remember. Large commercial vessels can be counted on to maintain a watch and respond crisply. I'm not bitching, just warning. This was a non-event for me except for having to sheet everything flat again single-handed in a strong wind. Plenty of people out there that this could have been a set up for a problem though. -- Roger Long |
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Roger Long wrote:
"Gary" and "Bill" wrote You made no effort to contact them?" Time to stop your bitch'n and take a look in the mirror. Yup. That last paragraph is all attitude. Gary Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand it for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open water. If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in every situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in edgewise. If a vessel clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly violating the right of way rules, why waste time on the radio? Easier, especially single handed in strong winds, to just shrug and divert. The guy who was dressed like a captain was out on the bridge wing. By the time he heard the radio or someone came out to tell him there was a call, it could have been too late for a safe course change by me. This was just a big recreational powerboat, remember. Large commercial vessels can be counted on to maintain a watch and respond crisply. I'm not bitching, just warning. This was a non-event for me except for having to sheet everything flat again single-handed in a strong wind. Plenty of people out there that this could have been a set up for a problem though. More attitude and lots of conjectu "clearly is either not keeping a watch or blatantly violating the right of way rules" "The guy who was dressed like a captain" "just a big recreational powerboat, remember" "I'm not bitching" "This was a non-event for me" |
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Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Gary" wrote
More attitude and lots of conjectu How about some conjecture from you. Why else would a recreational vessel in open water be maintaining a dead straight course towards another with the right-of-way? NOAA vessels doing surveys do but they fly the appropriate day shapes. Please explain a scenario under which this vessel was not violating the rules. My only attitude is that it is interesting and helpful to discuss these things. If I didn't have a skin thick enough to shrug off those who always try to turn it back to personality, I wouldn't be here. -- Roger Long |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:33:29 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote: Why else would a recreational vessel in open water be maintaining a dead straight course towards another with the right-of-way? NOAA vessels doing surveys do but they fly the appropriate day shapes. Please explain a scenario under which this vessel was not violating the rules. How close were you when you decided that the power boat was not going to give way? They are under no obligation to change course 1/2 mile in advance, only in time enough to avoid collision. That may not be as much room as you'd like but it is all that the situation demands. I can tell you from experience that evading oncoming sailboats is problematic. Many times I have made an early course change only to have the sailboat react to a header or lift with another course change of their own. Even more irritating to a powerboat is entering into one of these ballet dances only to discover that the oncoming vessel is actually motor sailing and has no rights. It hapens a lot. |
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Roger Long wrote:
Yes, it very well could be the Cayman's and it's a much more likely registry for a vessel like this. We see so many Canadian flags here that I didn't look too closely. That's good...everyone knows Canadians are courteous and law abiding! ;-) |
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Roger Long wrote: There has been a Canadian flag mega yacht in the 150 - 200 class named "Floridan" tied up in Portland for the past couple weeks. It's about as big a private yacht as I've seen up this way in the past couple years. I was heading back in today solo and close hauled in a good fresh breeze with the boat working hard under two reefs and hoping to clear Ram Island without having to make a short tack. The "Floridan" was coming out and settled on exactly the opposing course with her stemhead exactly lined up with her mast. I watched for a long time thinking they must take a slight deviation out into the 3000 or so miles of open water to their starboard but the angle never changed. Finally, at about half a mile, I eased the sheets and bore off until I could at least could see a little angle on the hull and it wasn't like staring directly down the sights of a shotgun from the wrong end. Cursing the loss of 100 yards on what was going to be a pretty tight squeak to clear the island, I watched her pass about 100 feet off my beam. Then, I got to deal with the wake of a large displacement hull going nearly hull speed on top of an already considerable sea. The captain was standing on the bridge wing having a ciggy with the autopilot on and never even waved. As someone said, Yes, the rich are different than you and I. Keep an eye out for this turkey if you're cruising downeast. It's a bad one. -- Roger Long I hate to say this, but it's just common sense to stay away from large vessels, right of way or not. Their are plenty of people who felt they had the right of way that were killed in the process. Try not to join their ranks. As far as wakes, if you don't like them, I would suggest finding another hobby, they are a fact of life on the water. If I had a nickel for everytime I had to deal with a sailboat that wanted to run under sail, in a narrow waterway, loaded with boats, and wanted everyone to get out of his way, I'd never have to work another day in my life. My point being, their are problem children on both the power and sail sides, let's all try not to be one of them. |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Come on. The radio has it's place and some meeting situations demand it for sorting out but this was a crystal clear situation in wide open water. If the radio was used between small vessels and larger ones in every situation this simple, nobody would be able to get a word in edgewise. Can't fully agree with this. If the radio is used on the correct channels be it for a simple meeting situation, or a complicated one, there would be far fewer collisions and near misses. Keep the conversation to a minimum to pass needed info. A good number of meeting situations, as you say, need no radio contact, but as soon as it starts to become apparent that, as in your case, the other guy is not doing what he should, then it's always a good idea to start using ALL your options, and a radio call is a good one. As for the rest.......... this is a prime example of the type of situations you can run into that are best thought about for future reference as to what may happen or can happen. otn |
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Dangerous mega yacht warning for Maine
"Wayne.B" wrote in I can tell you from experience that evading oncoming sailboats is problematic. yeah, it's a real bitch to turn that steering wheel. SBV |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:07:14 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in I can tell you from experience that evading oncoming sailboats is problematic. yeah, it's a real bitch to turn that steering wheel. Your sarcasm runneth over. Try it sometime from the other helm and report back. Most large powerboats are run by autopilot in open water, and course corrections are usually done in one or two degree increments, not dodging all over the ocean for a sailboat that may or may not decide to tack in front of you, or may or may not be lifted by the latest puff of wind. On my boat, which is substantial but no where near mega yacht size, I will typically close to within 100 or 200 yards before I even begin to commit to one side or another. If the other boat makes an unexpected course change inside of 100 yards they can create a very dangerous situation. I can crash stop in about 50 yards (3 boat lengths) but it is very tough on the engines and transmissions. |
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