Wayne.B wrote:
Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours.

With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the
operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for
the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a
person with a gun being held responsible for where his
bullets end up.


.... It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.


It is unreasonable to expect to endanger... or even present
a major & potentially expensive inconvenience... to other
people and have them shrug it off.



Almost all boats of that size are piloted by professionals and will
respond positively to requests presented in a professional manner.


That's been my experience as well, but the exceptions are
always noteworthy.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours.

With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the
operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for
the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a
person with a gun being held responsible for where his
bullets end up.

No boat of Roger's size should be at risk of damage from a wake in
open water.


.... It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.


It is unreasonable to expect to endanger... or even present
a major & potentially expensive inconvenience... to other
people and have them shrug it off.

Danger is in the eye of the beholder. Since I wasn't there, it's
difficult to assess the situation impartially. I can say that in two
years of trawlering our GB49 up and down the east coast that I have
seen some incredibly bad behavior from a few sailboats who think that
they still have the right of way when motoring with the mainsail up,
or the right to suddenly tack in front with less than two boat lengths
separation, and various other similar examples.


Almost all boats of that size are piloted by professionals and will
respond positively to requests presented in a professional manner.


That's been my experience as well, but the exceptions are
always noteworthy.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

What about the people on it? Suppose someone was injured. That could easily
happen as a result of wake or evasive maneuvers to avoid a collision.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
Roger, with all due respect, a large wake should be regarded as just
another wave in a seaworthy and decent sized boat such as yours.

With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the
operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for
the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a
person with a gun being held responsible for where his
bullets end up.

No boat of Roger's size should be at risk of damage from a wake in
open water.


.... It
is unreasonable to expect people to slow down except in a confined
area where you could lose control.


It is unreasonable to expect to endanger... or even present
a major & potentially expensive inconvenience... to other
people and have them shrug it off.

Danger is in the eye of the beholder. Since I wasn't there, it's
difficult to assess the situation impartially. I can say that in two
years of trawlering our GB49 up and down the east coast that I have
seen some incredibly bad behavior from a few sailboats who think that
they still have the right of way when motoring with the mainsail up,
or the right to suddenly tack in front with less than two boat lengths
separation, and various other similar examples.


Almost all boats of that size are piloted by professionals and will
respond positively to requests presented in a professional manner.


That's been my experience as well, but the exceptions are
always noteworthy.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I have limited salt water experience, only a couple of bareboat
charters in the Gulf of Mexico... But I have a lifetime of sweet water
sailing on the Great Lakes... One thing I learned early on is that
ships/freighters don't change course, even in a thousand feet of water
and no land visible in any direction... There is no one looking out
the window, and no one will answer the radio - and if in some miracle
they did they don't speak any english anyway...

So, as a sail boat skipper I learned to automatically change course as
soon as I see it is going to be close...... I don't get all bent up
over regulations, or that as a sailing vessel I have the right of way,
or that the hired Captain is an arrogant ass... Opposing a large ship
is like a motorcycle challenging a semi at 70 MPH on a narrow road...
You may be dead right on your cycle, but you will still be dead...
Roger, take a deep breath and forget about it...

cheers ... denny

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote:

With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the
operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for
the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a
person with a gun being held responsible for where his
bullets end up.


That is not how the "wake rule" works.

You are not always held 100% responsible for your wake.

OK Capt. Bill, I'll bite.

Just how DOES the "wake rule" work? And please, if you can, provide
citations or links? Apparently I have misunderstood all these years; I
would welcome an opportunity to be educated.

Sal's Dad


"Capt. Bill" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:15:40 -0400, DSK wrote:

With all due respect, it is well to keep in mind that the
operator of a vessel making a wake is 100% responsible for
the damage done by his wake. It is exactly the same as a
person with a gun being held responsible for where his
bullets end up.


That is not how the "wake rule" works.

You are not always held 100% responsible for your wake.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:51:16 -0400, "Sal's Dad"
wrote:

OK Capt. Bill, I'll bite.

Just how DOES the "wake rule" work? And please, if you can, provide
citations or links? Apparently I have misunderstood all these years; I
would welcome an opportunity to be educated.

Sal's Dad


At least here in Florida from what I've been told by LE you are held
to a "reasonable person" standard.

In other words if your motoring down the ICW in a non-restricted speed
zone and your wake travels lets say, a 1/2 mile out and behind you,
and tips over a kayak-er that you couldn't see or be expected to know
was there you most likely would not be held liable.

Wayne.B wrote in
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Roger, with all due respect,

Sarcasm On:

Yeah, Roger, it was all your fault for being out there in a boat that
wasn't custom built, a hundred feet long and couldn't take an 8' wake
without having to maneuver around. How dare you?!....

Sarcasm Off:

I was swamped up to the bimini on my 16' Sea Rayder jetboat while idling
along near the Battery Wall in downtown Charleston by an asshole driving
a diving boat full of teenagers, racing back to his dock. I hauled the
flooded jetboat around and took chase as the drains and bilge pump worked
on the weight problem. Asshole decides he's gonna outrun a 175hp jetboat
with his diesel diveboat....NOT. I followed him right into his slip and
got his numbers/number of passengers (18) and noted his slip. After a
heated discussion based on his ancestral lineage, he told me I shouldn't
be out on Charleston Harbor in a 16' jetboat, anyways. It was, as my
sarcasm above, all my fault.

I called CG on the way to his slip on my VHF and asked them to meet us,
but they wouldn't respond. They don't do anything if they don't
PERSONALLY witness the event, I was told. It's like if the cops wouldn't
come to your house just because you saw someone lurking about in your
back yard. I later filed a report, duly noting he had 18 passengers on
board for hire.

They got him, not on my event, but because he had a sixpack license......

Every time I see that boat or his dive shop driving by it angers me he's
just gone on as if nothing mattered. I guess it doesn't, until someone
dies.

You never have a Stinger or depth charge when you need one.....

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:52:24 -0400, Larry wrote:

Sarcasm On:

Yeah, Roger, it was all your fault for being out there in a boat that
wasn't custom built, a hundred feet long and couldn't take an 8' wake
without having to maneuver around. How dare you?!....

There is a *big* difference between a 32 ft cruising sailboat and a 16
ft jetboat. You were endangered, Roger was inconvenienced.

I'm always amazed at the number of cruising sailboats that feel
entitled to perpetual flat water as some sort of birth right.

Wayne.B wrote:
I'm always amazed at the number of cruising sailboats that feel
entitled to perpetual flat water as some sort of birth right.


Well, look at it this way...

If your wake causes any damage or injury, you are responsible.

If your wake causes hazard or great inconvenience, that
makes you an inconsiderate asshole.

Maybe I should give your next door neighbor's kid an
electric guitar and a 1,000 watt amplifier to drive home
this point.

Ownership of a boat (or a guitar)(or a gun) does not convey
the unlimited right to use it however you want.

I'm always amazed at the number of power boaters who feel
that their wake should make other people happy.

DSK