What percentage of manufacturer's suggested retail
should I offer for a 2003 Tayana sailboat which is
in good condition and has only been used as a demo ?

I know that the average selling price for brand new
motor homes (in the U.S.) is about 20 percent below
the MSRP but don't know if the same applies to boats.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Please reply
to the newsgroup. If there's a more appropriate group
to post this question please let me know. I've tried
the rec.boats.marketplace but my post didn't show up
because that group is moderated.

Also is it difficult to find experienced people to
help me sail my boat about halfway around the world
if I pay for all the living expenses ?

I know of this sailor named Captian Ron that will do it for free.

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What percentage of manufacturer's suggested retail
should I offer for a 2003 Tayana sailboat which is
in good condition and has only been used as a demo ?

I know that the average selling price for brand new
motor homes (in the U.S.) is about 20 percent below
the MSRP but don't know if the same applies to boats.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Please reply
to the newsgroup. If there's a more appropriate group
to post this question please let me know. I've tried
the rec.boats.marketplace but my post didn't show up
because that group is moderated.

Also is it difficult to find experienced people to
help me sail my boat about halfway around the world
if I pay for all the living expenses ?

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Also is it difficult to find experienced people to
help me sail my boat about halfway around the world
if I pay for all the living expenses ?

A friend of mine based in the British Virgin Islands does a number
'deliveries' such as that but gets paid around $1K - $1.5K US per week PLUS
expenses.

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Also is it difficult to find experienced people to
help me sail my boat about halfway around the world
if I pay for all the living expenses ?

A friend of mine based in the British Virgin Islands
does a number 'deliveries' such as that but gets paid
around $1K - $1.5K US per week PLUS expenses.

Sorry I didn't write more clearly. I won't need anybody
to deliver the boat for me but was thinking about finding
a couple of very experienced people to go sailing with me
(since I still don't know how to sail :-)

A friend of mine based in the British Virgin Islands
does a number 'deliveries' such as that but gets paid
around $1K - $1.5K US per week PLUS expenses.

$200/day, plus expenses, door to door.

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
A friend of mine based in the British Virgin Islands
does a number 'deliveries' such as that but gets paid
around $1K - $1.5K US per week PLUS expenses.

$200/day, plus expenses, door to door.

I was asking around for somebody to help me sail a 45 ft boat back
from BVI to florida. I am a very experience sailor, this is the second
boat I will own and I have been sailing for 20 years. So I am the
captn and I just need a pair of hands to let me sleep. This might be
a one week trip, and was told that it would be relatively easy to fing
some one for $1000 plus expenses.
In your case I think they would consider this a "delivery". Many
deliveries are made with the owner on board sharing in the work. This
does not make it cheaper.
In addition if you expect them to give you sailing lessons, this would
be extra.
I think that it will be difficult to find somebody who can take
responsibility of the boat and expect them to do it for free. Since
you don't know how to sail nobody will accept that you can
responsibility for the boat.

On 11 Aug 2004 23:25:20 -0700, (Rolf) wrote:

I was asking around for somebody to help me sail a 45 ft boat back
from BVI to florida. I am a very experience sailor, this is the second
boat I will own and I have been sailing for 20 years. So I am the
captn and I just need a pair of hands to let me sleep. This might be
a one week trip, and was told that it would be relatively easy to fing
some one for $1000 plus expenses.

That sounds reasonable for a deckhand and watchstander. The problem
comes in when you have somebody waiting with you for a weather window
or a diesel mechanic at $150 a day plus meals. Having been the
recipient of such largesse on occasion, I can only say, "Thanks!" In
the OP's case, I'd might insist on being there for provisioning and
boat prep anyway.

In your case I think they would consider this a "delivery". Many
deliveries are made with the owner on board sharing in the work. This
does not make it cheaper.

In my case, it makes me reluctant to take the job. An inexperienced
hand on a crossing is not much of an asset. Might even be a net
liabilty. Also, if you keep having to replay the "You're the owner,
but I'm the captain!" discussion every time there's a decision to be
made, it gets old.

In addition if you expect them to give you sailing lessons, this would
be extra.
I think that it will be difficult to find somebody who can take
responsibility of the boat and expect them to do it for free. Since
you don't know how to sail nobody will accept that you can
responsibility for the boat.

Right. I'd add one word though, just for clarity. I think that it
will be difficult to find somebody *competent* who can take
responsibility of the boat and expect them to do it for free. You can
sometimes find someone looking for a ride home or an adventure.
Whether you'll be glad to have them aboard after a week or so is a
different question.

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I am not sure what you are saying, rolf. What I am saying is if you want my
services, it is $200/day from the time my feet hit the tarmac to the time I
head out to the airport on the way back, plus expenses. I'm a good guy, Rolf,
for most won't do a delivery with the owner onboard.

A friend of mine based in the British Virgin Islands
does a number 'deliveries' such as that but gets paid
around $1K - $1.5K US per week PLUS expenses.

$200/day, plus expenses, door to door.

I was asking around for somebody to help me sail a 45 ft boat back
from BVI to florida. I am a very experience sailor, this is the second
boat I will own and I have been sailing for 20 years. So I am the
captn and I just need a pair of hands to let me sleep. This might be
a one week trip, and was told that it would be relatively easy to fing
some one for $1000 plus expenses.
In your case I think they would consider this a "delivery". Many
deliveries are made with the owner on board sharing in the work. This
does not make it cheaper.
In addition if you expect them to give you sailing lessons, this would
be extra.
I think that it will be difficult to find somebody who can take
responsibility of the boat and expect them to do it for free. Since
you don't know how to sail nobody will accept that you can
responsibility for the boat.

Whoa!
A Tayana is NOT a boat that one 'learns' to sail on. These are big,
slow to maneuver, with lots of forces generated; not, something you can
just walk up to and learn to sail on in a couple of hours. The
learning curve from such a boat will be very slow and long. And if you
havent any prior sailing experience, can get into one hell of a lot of
trouble in a hurry.

Why not consider to first learn to sail in a lightweight dinghy of
16-20 ft. Such a boat because of its rapid 'response' will very
quickly develop your skills, etc. needed for a larger sailboat.
Without these prior skills, having a first time (ever) large boat is a
disaster waiting to happen.

A larger heavyweight sailboat is not very sensitive, is slow to react,
and many times will not have the rapid 'tactile' feedback needed to
properly and safely sail her over a wide range of conditions - from
almost dead calm to blammo. A large boat is a 'momentum machine' ; is
slow to react and doesnt have the instant 'feedback' as a small boat -
so your brain already full of ***prior sailing experience*** has to
fill in the 'gaps' on a such large/heavy boat like a Tayana.

You dont walk up to a Boeing 757 and begin to learn to fly on such a
complicated rig, you usually start out in small aircraft: safer, faster
learning, etc. ... same with sailboats.

Sorry to put a pin in your baloon. I suggest if you're in a hurry
that you get enrolled in an accredited sailing school, first. Start
small and then work your way 'up'. Otherwise you can get seriously
hurt or worse, etc.

"Rich Hampel" wrote in message
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Whoa!
A Tayana is NOT a boat that one 'learns' to sail on. These are big,
slow to maneuver, with lots of forces generated; not, something you can
just walk up to and learn to sail on in a couple of hours.
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Good advice. My buddy let me take over the helm of a 75 foot wooden ketch
and was I surprised at the wheel response. I was fooling around trying to
steer by the compass leaving the harbour. The thing didn't seem to turn so I
over steered a couple of times. Before long the owner came marching back
giving me dirty looks. I gave the wheel back to my buddy who was captain at
that time.