moose hore, you have a very scattered mind? Did we over estimate your IQ when
we figured 89?

go back to watching early morning cartoons.

moose sore, when you stated that "fitted cockpit cushions" made a boat more
seaworthy.

Never said any such thing. Try breaking that nasty Nyquil habit of yours.



so, moose store, you are saying you haven't even *one* book? That is
stranger
than usual, for most idgits read at least one before proclaiming
experthood.

When did I "proclaim experthood"?



moose store, for crimminy sakes!! read another book before you post
again.

Old salts like us don't need no steenkeen books.



Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty
old
ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from
an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement...
oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the
water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that
have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35
footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and
they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that
affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.

--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

I have a 1981 Tyana 37 Ketch for sale at $55,000. Needs some maintenance
such as new engine hoses, freeing up steering cables, etc. as it has been
sitting for 13 years in dry dorage. Proven sailor from Maine to Venezuela.
Lived aboard ten years. Aries windvane self steering. Why waste all that
money on a new one? Best way to learn a boat is work on her. Email me at
for details.AL

You should post this on the Tayana Owner EMail Discussion List on
Sailnet; and, at http://www.tayanaowners.org/
Ty37 Ketches are quite rare and VERY desirable as they sail MUCH better
than the cutter version. Why so cheap??????


In article
outboats.com,
alvanskl wrote:

I have a 1981 Tyana 37 Ketch for sale at $55,000. Needs some maintenance
such as new engine hoses, freeing up steering cables, etc. as it has been
sitting for 13 years in dry dorage. Proven sailor from Maine to Venezuela.
Lived aboard ten years. Aries windvane self steering. Why waste all that
money on a new one? Best way to learn a boat is work on her. Email me at
for details.AL

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:27:58 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote:

You should post this on the Tayana Owner EMail Discussion List on
Sailnet; and, at http://www.tayanaowners.org/
Ty37 Ketches are quite rare and VERY desirable as they sail MUCH better
than the cutter version. Why so cheap??????

A little off-topic, but I am curious...why does the TY 37 ketch sail
better than the cutter? My experience is that for windward work, the
usual order is sloop-cutter-ketch-schooner-ship in order of decent
pointing ability and so on.

Having said that, I will probably get a staysail cutter-ketch! G

R.

The cutter is quite over-canvassed and needs quite a bit of sail
shaping and precise setting to keep a neutral helm. SA with yankee is
864 sq. ft. .... & ~1100 w/ 130 genoa. The cutter must have its
mast dead straight or will not balance easily .... in disagreement with
the original designers drawings. Supposedly the yard moved the mast aft
a 'bit' without consulting the designer.

The Ketch SA with yankee is 786 sq. ft., has a more high aspect ratio
mainsail .... yielding a more natural balanced helm and better
windward ability. Obviously the mizzen is in the slip stream of the
main when beating but that very high aspect ratio main does the trick.
The ketch rig is deemed 'naturally balanced' by the designer .... just
'happened that way' - so he has stated.



In article , rhys
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:27:58 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote:

You should post this on the Tayana Owner EMail Discussion List on
Sailnet; and, at http://www.tayanaowners.org/
Ty37 Ketches are quite rare and VERY desirable as they sail MUCH better
than the cutter version. Why so cheap??????

A little off-topic, but I am curious...why does the TY 37 ketch sail
better than the cutter? My experience is that for windward work, the
usual order is sloop-cutter-ketch-schooner-ship in order of decent
pointing ability and so on.

Having said that, I will probably get a staysail cutter-ketch! G

R.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:17:59 GMT, Rich Hampel
wrote:

The Ketch SA with yankee is 786 sq. ft., has a more high aspect ratio
mainsail .... yielding a more natural balanced helm and better
windward ability. Obviously the mizzen is in the slip stream of the
main when beating but that very high aspect ratio main does the trick.
The ketch rig is deemed 'naturally balanced' by the designer .... just
'happened that way' - so he has stated.

Great answer, Rich. I understand this properly as well. It goes to
show that alterations to designer's specs are problematic at best.

Still, a ketch that's better to windward than a cutter...whodathunkit?

Thanks,
R.