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How much to offer below MSRP (for a Tayana) ?
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How much to offer below MSRP (for a Tayana) ?
On 11 Aug 2004 23:25:20 -0700, (Rolf) wrote:
I was asking around for somebody to help me sail a 45 ft boat back from BVI to florida. I am a very experience sailor, this is the second boat I will own and I have been sailing for 20 years. So I am the captn and I just need a pair of hands to let me sleep. This might be a one week trip, and was told that it would be relatively easy to fing some one for $1000 plus expenses. That sounds reasonable for a deckhand and watchstander. The problem comes in when you have somebody waiting with you for a weather window or a diesel mechanic at $150 a day plus meals. Having been the recipient of such largesse on occasion, I can only say, "Thanks!" In the OP's case, I'd might insist on being there for provisioning and boat prep anyway. In your case I think they would consider this a "delivery". Many deliveries are made with the owner on board sharing in the work. This does not make it cheaper. In my case, it makes me reluctant to take the job. An inexperienced hand on a crossing is not much of an asset. Might even be a net liabilty. Also, if you keep having to replay the "You're the owner, but I'm the captain!" discussion every time there's a decision to be made, it gets old. In addition if you expect them to give you sailing lessons, this would be extra. I think that it will be difficult to find somebody who can take responsibility of the boat and expect them to do it for free. Since you don't know how to sail nobody will accept that you can responsibility for the boat. Right. I'd add one word though, just for clarity. I think that it will be difficult to find somebody *competent* who can take responsibility of the boat and expect them to do it for free. You can sometimes find someone looking for a ride home or an adventure. Whether you'll be glad to have them aboard after a week or so is a different question. __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at worldwidewiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
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How much to offer below MSRP (for a Tayana) ?
I am not sure what you are saying, rolf. What I am saying is if you want my
services, it is $200/day from the time my feet hit the tarmac to the time I head out to the airport on the way back, plus expenses. I'm a good guy, Rolf, for most won't do a delivery with the owner onboard. A friend of mine based in the British Virgin Islands does a number 'deliveries' such as that but gets paid around $1K - $1.5K US per week PLUS expenses. $200/day, plus expenses, door to door. I was asking around for somebody to help me sail a 45 ft boat back from BVI to florida. I am a very experience sailor, this is the second boat I will own and I have been sailing for 20 years. So I am the captn and I just need a pair of hands to let me sleep. This might be a one week trip, and was told that it would be relatively easy to fing some one for $1000 plus expenses. In your case I think they would consider this a "delivery". Many deliveries are made with the owner on board sharing in the work. This does not make it cheaper. In addition if you expect them to give you sailing lessons, this would be extra. I think that it will be difficult to find somebody who can take responsibility of the boat and expect them to do it for free. Since you don't know how to sail nobody will accept that you can responsibility for the boat. |
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How much to offer below MSRP (for a Tayana) ?
"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... I am not sure what you are saying, rolf. What I am saying is if you want my services, it is $200/day from the time my feet hit the tarmac to the time I head out to the airport on the way back, plus expenses. I'm a good guy, Rolf, for most won't do a delivery with the owner onboard. ** You got that right. I had to laugh at one story my buddy told. The owner tried to leave our harbour one fall with a cheaper 2nd rate 'captain'. They ran aground before clearing the port. They limped back in and my buddy was hired for the job on the following weeks departure. Seems the owner thought he knew more than Vic, and after numerous heated arguments, Vic threatened to lock the owner up in his cabin. More trouble on the way back in the spring. After a rash of bad luck, storm damage etc Vic arrived in Halifax with the boat. The owner blamed Vic for the trouble and refused to reimburse him for out of pocket emergency repairs. Vic went to see a lawyer friend and threatened seizure of the boat if he wasn't paid. The hostile owner was boxed in and had to pay up after the lawyer informed him that the damages would multiply if full blown legal action was taken. |
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How much to offer below MSRP (for a Tayana) ?
I read the book with great interest. I am thinking that this is a
great adventure story where they took great risks. They got away with it because the husband is a very great "fixer" After all how many people would know how to rewire an alternator? They are also very lucky. The third thing they did was that the husband taught the wife how to sail all the way out from Ottawa. They first motored a long way before they put up the mast and then they just did some costal cruising before they went into blue water. The husband ceratinly knew a lot about boating since they selected exactly the right kind of boat. Still I wonder would I have takem my two young kids and an inexperinced wife on this trip? I probably would have considered far too risky for my taste. rhys wrote in message . .. On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 04:22:50 GMT, wrote: I've just read "The Voyage of the Northern Magic" which is about a Canadian family sailing around the world in a 40-year-old sailboat. Their entire sailing experience before taking this journey consisted of 6 afternoons in on the Ottawa River. (See www.northernmagic.com) Yes, and I spoke to Diane Stuemer shortly before she died, and she admitted that this was in fact a foolish way to learn on a heavy displacement boat. Her husband had some experience...she was essentially the weak link, but learned quickly AND the hard way. I think the tale of Northern Magic is very inspiring, but it is about how the process of sailing with one's family and encountering foreign peoples in distant places can be transformative...it is NOT in my opinion a great book loaded with seamanship tips. The husband, Herbert, seems to spend most of every chapter puking into the bilges because he's trying to repair an alternator upside down in a heavy following sea while his wife and kids hand-steer. Sorry, but if you plan properly and don't insist on computers and refrigeration 24/7, you don't spend much of your trip repairing expensive and dodgy equipment. More than once they seem to have bought fifty kilos of frozen meat, only to have the compressor or some related gadget fail again. The Stuemers had a very interesting and memorable trip, but their inexperience made it more difficult, IMO, than it needed to be, if the book is anything to go by. Give me a windvane and a can opener and maybe a Koolatron for the beer, and I'll be a happier cruiser. Having said that, I'm not a Luddite: radar and weatherfax and SSB are the cruiser's mates, but more stuff means more complexity and more crap that breaks in the middle of heavy weather. R. |
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rhys wrote:
... So that means a few things: I want a cutter-rigged ketch. I want steel, stable and Perkins or similar "big iron" diesel. I want a pilothouse or a hard dodger, and preferably center cockpit. ... So if I want to sail to Tahiti and South East Asia one day (would it be a bad idea to get a fiberglass boat (like a Tayana) or is this what most people do anyway ? |
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Plenty of people sail all over the world in fiberglass boats, wooden
boats and steel boats, and have wonderful trips. There are/is a school of thought that is focused on the steel or aluminum boat as the "ideal" because it might survive an encounter with a reef. The odds of testing that theory, if you are a careful sailor should be fairly small, hence the success rate of other types of construction. What you do want is a boat built sturdily enough to take a fair amount of abuse. In the Sydney/Hobart race that got hit hard, a couple of boats essentially collapsed under the weight of waves breaking on board. But that too should be an uncommon rather than a common occurrence. The Hiscocks sailed thousands of miles in various boats, and claimed they never hit a survival storm because of good planning. Dave Martin circumnavigated in a reinforced Cal 25, starting a family on the way. He and his wife Jaja cruised for years with infants in arms and toddlers. Check out the Martin chronicles on SetSail.com: http://www.setsail.com/s_logs/martin/martin.html Check out the cruising logs at: http://cruisenews.net/index.php All kinds of people, all kinds of boats and materials. The common denominator? They all managed to take in the docklines and go...... Have fun, Jonathan wrote: rhys wrote: ... So that means a few things: I want a cutter-rigged ketch. I want steel, stable and Perkins or similar "big iron" diesel. I want a pilothouse or a hard dodger, and preferably center cockpit. ... So if I want to sail to Tahiti and South East Asia one day (would it be a bad idea to get a fiberglass boat (like a Tayana) or is this what most people do anyway ? |
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