Those lines are timeless and exquisite.
They define grace and power. Unless you are racing in a class... why would
you want a boat that looks like every other off the mold knock off??

When you're moving up to bigger and better boats, it's best to take the
learning curve easy. You mention Cabo Rico and Hans Christian boats....and they
are duds here due to light air. J-Boats are popular due to light air ability.
You have to sail what suits your cruising grounds and not cater to what other
people deem a "character boat."
There's no "character" in motoring an Island Packet 35 around in 5 knots where
my C&C can sail easily.

RB

You seem to think that only a ULDB is able to move in light airs.... I can
prove you wrong with my crab crusher. A Cabo Rico 38 is great in light air.
I know.. I've sailed one for 3 weeks in the Bahamas.

Although it takes no talent at all to get a fin keeled ULDB moving in light
air.... the true test of a sailor is to get comparable performance from a
medium displacement vessel in the same conditions.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Those lines are timeless and exquisite.
| They define grace and power. Unless you are racing in a class... why would
| you want a boat that looks like every other off the mold knock off??
|
| When you're moving up to bigger and better boats, it's best to take the
| learning curve easy. You mention Cabo Rico and Hans Christian boats....and
they
| are duds here due to light air. J-Boats are popular due to light air
ability.
| You have to sail what suits your cruising grounds and not cater to what
other
| people deem a "character boat."
| There's no "character" in motoring an Island Packet 35 around in 5 knots
where
| my C&C can sail easily.
|
| RB

You seem to think that only a ULDB is able to move in light airs.... I can
prove you wrong with my crab crusher. A Cabo Rico 38 is great in light air.
I know.. I've sailed one for 3 weeks in the Bahamas.

Not at all. I never said that. But it's no fun going for a dead-day-sail on a
heavier full keel boat on the LIS, when other, lighter, higher S/ad boats are
having a blast.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| You seem to think that only a ULDB is able to move in light airs.... I
can
| prove you wrong with my crab crusher. A Cabo Rico 38 is great in light
air.
| I know.. I've sailed one for 3 weeks in the Bahamas.
|
| Not at all. I never said that. But it's no fun going for a dead-day-sail
on a
| heavier full keel boat on the LIS, when other, lighter, higher S/ad boats
are
| having a blast.

Yes .. I can see your point. When impeded by lack of talent it's always
better to conform to the norm. I'm glad I can sail my cruiser in light
air... make a good turn of speed... and have a blast all at the same time. I
would comment that in due time you too would be able to undertake this
endeavor... but your progress to date has indicated that there is no
probability of that ever occurring. Maybe with Suzanne's instruction you
might progress a bit faster. Good Luck Bob!

CM

Yes .. I can see your point. When impeded by lack of talent it's always
better to conform to the norm.

Sorry, Mooron. You can call adherence to laws of physics a "lack of talent"
till your face turns blue. Doesn't change the facts that a heavy boat is a
heavy boat. Weight, sail area and wetted surface are real things. No amount of
talent is going to change the basic design limits of a vessel.
My friend's vindo is a crab crusher. He's a far more experienced sailor that I
am. He can tweak his rig till doomsday and he's still not enjoy 8 knots of air
the way we do. When he came out on Alien it affirmed his desire to buy a boat
better suited to the area. The Vindo, loaded with "character" is for sale.
Perhaps you shouldn't look to an object, such as boats and cars, to give you
"character." Try building some of your own.

RB

Wham.... Bob gets yanked out of the fighting chair again.... Read Below and
weep Bob!

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!

Tell us again about your 8 knots and situations where my boat wouldn't be
able to keep up....
Tell us again how your boat is suited to light winds....
Tell us again about sail area ....

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| Sorry, Mooron,snip drivel

Performance Comparison LOA C&C 32 32.9

Nordica 30 29.49

LWL C&C 32 25

Nordica 30 25

Beam C&C 32 10.37

Nordica 30 9.77

Displacement C&C 32 10080

Nordica 30 10220

Sail Area C&C 32 475

Nordica 30 502

Capsize Ratio C&C 32 1.92

Nordica 30 1.8

Hull Speed C&C 32 6.7

Nordica 30 6.7

Sail Area to Displacement C&C 32 16.29

Nordica 30 17.06

Displacement to LWL C&C 32 288

Nordica 30 292

LWL to Beam C&C 32 2.41

Nordica 30 2.56

Motion Comfort C&C 32 25.06

Nordica 30 28.57

Pounds/Inch C&C 32 926

Nordica 30 873

Wham.... Bob gets yanked out of the fighting chair again.... Read Below and
weep Bob!

Sorry again, Mooron. Your boat is rated 180-190, if I recall corectly. The
numbers are in the same ballpark as the Vindo. The C&C 32 is rated as low as
152.
Wetted surface and pointing are not listed in the your numbers. My boat would
sail circles around you.
If you truly don't know that, as Neal seems to think his Coronado is "fast"
then you can't be helped.

RB

J-Boats are popular due to light air ability

Excuse me but I have told you before that the J30 you seem to love is
considered a light air dog. That's why the class went to a 163% genoa after
years of bitching by the people who actually own the boat.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Excuse me but I have told you before that the J30 you seem to love is
considered a light air dog.

Only as a racer, dummy. We're not talking racing. Can you ever switch gears?
As a cruiser, the J30 is a good light air boat.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Excuse me but I have told you before that the J30 you seem to love is
| considered a light air dog.
|
| Only as a racer, dummy. We're not talking racing. Can you ever switch
gears?
| As a cruiser, the J30 is a good light air boat.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!

CM