"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"hk" wrote in message
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Just to clarify, in addition to optical thin film engineers and
technicians, the company also had (still has) many skilled welders,
fabricators, machinists, electricians, general assembly people, plus a
full staff of mechanical, electrical, software engineers and CAD
designers.

This is why Harry's assumption that nobody can possibly know more
about non union workplaces than him is so empty. He has really had a
very narrow exposure to the overall American workforce, despite his
claims.

Eisboch

How many of the non-degreed fellows at that plant are making $37 an
hour in the envelope, plus pension and health benefits?

It has been several years since I had an idea of payscales, etc. All I
can say is that the company paid competitive salaries/hourly rates, had
a 401 type pension plan to which the company made a varying
contribution, depending on how well we were doing, had an excellent Blue
Cross health plan for which the company paid 75% of the premiums and a
dental plan with the same company contribution. We also picked up the
tab for continued technical education, if it was pertinent to the
employee's responsibilities at the company.

It must have been ok because our turnover rate was virtually zero. We
did lose one welder to the "Big Dig" because they were offering
pay/overtime packages at the time that were way out of whack with
industry. The welder came back though, after a year of busting his ass,
working night shifts plus overtime. It wasn't worth it to him.

We also had a close knit, teamwork culture. Quite often during the
summer, on nice weekends, we would simply shut the place down at
noontime on Fridays and let everyone enjoy a longer than normal weekend
at home. They were fully paid for the day of course.

And, when the company was sold the first time, every employee shared in
the financial rewards, based on a formula I came up with. Basically,
each employee got a thousand bucks for every month or part of a month he
or she had worked for the company.
Several people received enough to pay off house mortgages, or move up to
larger homes, as they had over 11 years at the company.

My son and I bought the company back several years later when the buyers
determined the business was not in line with future plans. (They were,
themselves the subject of an acquisition).

My son ran the company for the past 5 years. Lightning struck twice and
again, it became a desirable acquisition by a globally based, high tech
organization.

The financial rewards of the recent sale were also shared proportionally
with all employees, most of whom had also received a share of the first
sale. None of the employees who received either or both benefits were
shareholders.

I am very, very proud of the company I had, the work ethic of the
employees and their loyalty, sense of teamwork and quality of the
systems we produced. Our customers shared that viewpoint.

So, being union at whatever per hour isn't the answer to everything.


Eisboch


If every workplace was as fair as yours...unions would be out of
business.
I worked for a 'Crown Corporation' and in a big somewhat impersonal
national workplace always complaining about insufficient funds from the
gov't, a union to protect employees was and still is necessary.
I can guarantee you that by American standards, we weren't overpaid. One
bad period we went almost four years without a cost of living increase,
and when we did get increases it was always a struggle to stay even with
inflation.

It really sounded like a terrible place to work. Why in the world would
an intelligent individual with marketable skills work in a substandard
workplace.

I understand you know next to nothing about working conditions outside your
little redneck heaven, but the Corp I worked for was considered one of the
better workplaces in this area when I joined up in the early 70s.

Don White wrote:
"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Just to clarify, in addition to optical thin film engineers and
technicians, the company also had (still has) many skilled welders,
fabricators, machinists, electricians, general assembly people, plus a
full staff of mechanical, electrical, software engineers and CAD
designers.

This is why Harry's assumption that nobody can possibly know more
about non union workplaces than him is so empty. He has really had a
very narrow exposure to the overall American workforce, despite his
claims.

Eisboch
How many of the non-degreed fellows at that plant are making $37 an
hour in the envelope, plus pension and health benefits?
It has been several years since I had an idea of payscales, etc. All I
can say is that the company paid competitive salaries/hourly rates, had
a 401 type pension plan to which the company made a varying
contribution, depending on how well we were doing, had an excellent Blue
Cross health plan for which the company paid 75% of the premiums and a
dental plan with the same company contribution. We also picked up the
tab for continued technical education, if it was pertinent to the
employee's responsibilities at the company.

It must have been ok because our turnover rate was virtually zero. We
did lose one welder to the "Big Dig" because they were offering
pay/overtime packages at the time that were way out of whack with
industry. The welder came back though, after a year of busting his ass,
working night shifts plus overtime. It wasn't worth it to him.

We also had a close knit, teamwork culture. Quite often during the
summer, on nice weekends, we would simply shut the place down at
noontime on Fridays and let everyone enjoy a longer than normal weekend
at home. They were fully paid for the day of course.

And, when the company was sold the first time, every employee shared in
the financial rewards, based on a formula I came up with. Basically,
each employee got a thousand bucks for every month or part of a month he
or she had worked for the company.
Several people received enough to pay off house mortgages, or move up to
larger homes, as they had over 11 years at the company.

My son and I bought the company back several years later when the buyers
determined the business was not in line with future plans. (They were,
themselves the subject of an acquisition).

My son ran the company for the past 5 years. Lightning struck twice and
again, it became a desirable acquisition by a globally based, high tech
organization.

The financial rewards of the recent sale were also shared proportionally
with all employees, most of whom had also received a share of the first
sale. None of the employees who received either or both benefits were
shareholders.

I am very, very proud of the company I had, the work ethic of the
employees and their loyalty, sense of teamwork and quality of the
systems we produced. Our customers shared that viewpoint.

So, being union at whatever per hour isn't the answer to everything.


Eisboch

If every workplace was as fair as yours...unions would be out of
business.
I worked for a 'Crown Corporation' and in a big somewhat impersonal
national workplace always complaining about insufficient funds from the
gov't, a union to protect employees was and still is necessary.
I can guarantee you that by American standards, we weren't overpaid. One
bad period we went almost four years without a cost of living increase,
and when we did get increases it was always a struggle to stay even with
inflation.
It really sounded like a terrible place to work. Why in the world would
an intelligent individual with marketable skills work in a substandard
workplace.

I understand you know next to nothing about working conditions outside your
little redneck heaven, but the Corp I worked for was considered one of the
better workplaces in this area when I joined up in the early 70s.




Keep in mind that Reggie the Coward is only here to provoke.
The only suitable response for Reggie:

**** You.

Don White wrote:
"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Just to clarify, in addition to optical thin film engineers and
technicians, the company also had (still has) many skilled welders,
fabricators, machinists, electricians, general assembly people, plus a
full staff of mechanical, electrical, software engineers and CAD
designers.

This is why Harry's assumption that nobody can possibly know more
about non union workplaces than him is so empty. He has really had a
very narrow exposure to the overall American workforce, despite his
claims.

Eisboch
How many of the non-degreed fellows at that plant are making $37 an
hour in the envelope, plus pension and health benefits?
It has been several years since I had an idea of payscales, etc. All I
can say is that the company paid competitive salaries/hourly rates, had
a 401 type pension plan to which the company made a varying
contribution, depending on how well we were doing, had an excellent Blue
Cross health plan for which the company paid 75% of the premiums and a
dental plan with the same company contribution. We also picked up the
tab for continued technical education, if it was pertinent to the
employee's responsibilities at the company.

It must have been ok because our turnover rate was virtually zero. We
did lose one welder to the "Big Dig" because they were offering
pay/overtime packages at the time that were way out of whack with
industry. The welder came back though, after a year of busting his ass,
working night shifts plus overtime. It wasn't worth it to him.

We also had a close knit, teamwork culture. Quite often during the
summer, on nice weekends, we would simply shut the place down at
noontime on Fridays and let everyone enjoy a longer than normal weekend
at home. They were fully paid for the day of course.

And, when the company was sold the first time, every employee shared in
the financial rewards, based on a formula I came up with. Basically,
each employee got a thousand bucks for every month or part of a month he
or she had worked for the company.
Several people received enough to pay off house mortgages, or move up to
larger homes, as they had over 11 years at the company.

My son and I bought the company back several years later when the buyers
determined the business was not in line with future plans. (They were,
themselves the subject of an acquisition).

My son ran the company for the past 5 years. Lightning struck twice and
again, it became a desirable acquisition by a globally based, high tech
organization.

The financial rewards of the recent sale were also shared proportionally
with all employees, most of whom had also received a share of the first
sale. None of the employees who received either or both benefits were
shareholders.

I am very, very proud of the company I had, the work ethic of the
employees and their loyalty, sense of teamwork and quality of the
systems we produced. Our customers shared that viewpoint.

So, being union at whatever per hour isn't the answer to everything.


Eisboch

If every workplace was as fair as yours...unions would be out of
business.
I worked for a 'Crown Corporation' and in a big somewhat impersonal
national workplace always complaining about insufficient funds from the
gov't, a union to protect employees was and still is necessary.
I can guarantee you that by American standards, we weren't overpaid. One
bad period we went almost four years without a cost of living increase,
and when we did get increases it was always a struggle to stay even with
inflation.
It really sounded like a terrible place to work. Why in the world would
an intelligent individual with marketable skills work in a substandard
workplace.

I understand you know next to nothing about working conditions outside your
little redneck heaven, but the Corp I worked for was considered one of the
better workplaces in this area when I joined up in the early 70s.



Actually, I have lived on 3 continents, went to college in NYC, and
worked in 7 cities in the US before moving to Atlanta. I have changed
employers and moved 3 times for better employment opportunities. You on
the other hand, take a job that you feel was a terrible place to work,
just so you can stay in your little tiny town. The best piece of ****
is still nothing more than a piece of ****.

Tell me again who knows next to nothing about working conditions
outside their little redneck heaven?

On Aug 31, 10:39*pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

*The best piece of **** is still nothing more than a piece of ****.


LOL!

makes sense to me.

I'll have to rememeber that.

Tim wrote:
On Aug 31, 10:39 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

The best piece of **** is still nothing more than a piece of ****.


LOL!

makes sense to me.

I'll have to rememeber that.


Feel free to use it at no charge.

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Aug 31, 10:39 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

The best piece of **** is still nothing more than a piece of ****.


LOL!

makes sense to me.

I'll have to rememeber that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is that what is called an 'autobiography'?
If so Waylon Smithers did a great job.

Don White wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Aug 31, 10:39 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

The best piece of **** is still nothing more than a piece of ****.


LOL!

makes sense to me.

I'll have to rememeber that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is that what is called an 'autobiography'?
If so Waylon Smithers did a great job.




You need the proper descriptor, Don.

It's "the coward who posts here as Smithers."

:)

But I agree. He is nothing more than piece of ****.

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Aug 31, 10:39 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

The best piece of **** is still nothing more than a piece of ****.


LOL!

makes sense to me.

I'll have to rememeber that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is that what is called an 'autobiography'?
If so Waylon Smithers did a great job.




You need the proper descriptor, Don.

It's "the coward who posts here as Smithers."

:)

But I agree. He is nothing more than piece of ****.

I have to agree, he's becoming (is showing) a lot more nasty than his
cartoon look-a-like.
http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/bios...e_smithers.htm

Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Aug 31, 10:39 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

The best piece of **** is still nothing more than a piece of ****.


LOL!

makes sense to me.

I'll have to rememeber that.
------------------------------------------------------------------------


Don,
Are you and Harry ready to share telephone numbers and addresses? You
guys talk real big, but as soon as I make the offer, you guys back out.
Why is that/

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:
Don White wrote:


If every workplace was as fair as yours...unions would be out of
business.
I worked for a 'Crown Corporation' and in a big somewhat impersonal
national workplace always complaining about insufficient funds from
the gov't, a union to protect employees was and still is necessary.
I can guarantee you that by American standards, we weren't overpaid.
One bad period we went almost four years without a cost of living
increase, and when we did get increases it was always a struggle to
stay even with inflation.
It really sounded like a terrible place to work. Why in the world
would an intelligent individual with marketable skills work in a
substandard workplace.

I understand you know next to nothing about working conditions outside
your little redneck heaven, but the Corp I worked for was considered
one of the better workplaces in this area when I joined up in the
early 70s.

PS - Don, what does it say about your city, your providence and your
country when one of the better workplaces is a big somewhat impersonal
government employee, which has insufficient funds, a union which was
not able negotiate salaries that was able to keep up with the cost of
living. It really does sound like you live in redneck hell.