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NG: Need to recommit or admit failure........
Today has been really disappointing.
Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. |
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Need to recommit or admit failure........
Chuck,
As someone who did fall off the wagon, I apologize to the group. It is amazing how quickly we as a group to revert to the old ways. I think most of us found the group to be more enjoyable without the politics and personal attacks, but the past few days shows the importance of taking it one day at a time. -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. |
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Reggie Smithers wrote: Chuck, As someone who did fall off the wagon, I apologize to the group. It is amazing how quickly we as a group to revert to the old ways. I think most of us found the group to be more enjoyable without the politics and personal attacks, but the past few days shows the importance of taking it one day at a time. -- ************************************************** ************************ If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory off- topic posts and flames. ************************************************** ************************** Good job, Smithers. :-) It only takes a few adults to break the cycle. We who fall prey to trolls or use the behavior of a self-absorbed troll to justify bad behavior on our own part are simply proclaiming, "I let other people decide how I will behave." We in the worst offender category will contribute most toward a sustained improvement if we accept responsibility for self determination. |
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Need to recommit or admit failure........
wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! |
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Need to recommit or admit failure........
" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! |
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Need to recommit or admit failure........
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Today has been really disappointing. Some of the guys who were doing so well are back to making personal remarks, and getting easily snagged by the couple of persistent, totally self-absorbed offenders who insist on trolling their political junk and years-old feuds through here. None of my actual business, but from the perspective of a guy who is generally not (currently) participating in the politics and personal remarks I'm here to tell you we're about halfway back to "normal". If we slip just a bit more, we'll have Harry screwing with everybody once again- everybody screwing with Harry- and we'll be back to a group that is primarily engaged in name-calling, pig piling, and politics. Boats be damned. And why not? The non-boaters (or those who at least never participate in boating discussions) seem to be among the worst offenders. But if the majority want a bitchfest, that's certainly what we'll have. We can cut 'n paste political crap, call one another names, cut 'n paste counter propaganda, call one another names, dredge up something somebody allegedly said in 1995 and make a big issue of it, call some more names, pig pile on the nearest liberal or conservative, etc etc etc. We're at a critical moment. Things have been much improved, but it only takes a few ex-adults to break the cycle. I make no pretense of being in a position to cast stones, but I can count the number of rocks in the air and make a note of where they're landing. I guess if we go back into the toilet it's no real loss, that's where this group apparently prefers to be and where it has been for years- the laughing stock of all boating sites. It's a shame, because we almost demonstrated we could fix it, if we wanted to. I would like to suggest that my fellow worst offenders ( I needn't name names, you know darn well who you are) join me in a recommitment to ignore trolls, refrain from launching political threads, etc. Anybody among my fellow worst offenders who still gives a schlitz about the dynamics of the group? This could be the last actual chance to stop slipping back into the pit before the old sick and destructive momentum takes over once again..... We have proven we can do it if we want to. Do we want to? If so, this is the hour for my fellow worst offenders to stay the recently improved course. I am back in. I fell a couple of times over the past few days.........sorry. I am again committed to ignoring the grenade throwers ( http://tinyurl.com/bxnje ), loopies ( http://tinyurl.com/4bl8d ), troglodytes ( http://tinyurl.com/axc3x ), jerks ( http://tinyurl.com/aravl ) and trollers ( http://tinyurl.com/4vor3 ) in this group. Thanks for the kick in the butt Chuck! Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Did you know that: - Dentists have recommended that a toothbrush be kept at least 6 feet away from a toilet to avoid airborne particles resulting from the flush. And................. - The electric chair was invented by a dentist. |
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NOYB wrote: Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Not at all, NOYB. I'm among the worst offenders, as are you. The thing is, its only the worst offenders who have the capacity to change the dynamic of the group for the better. The folks who stay on topic and don't get involved in propaganda cut 'n paste or political crap fights won't improve the group by changing behaviors. |
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" JimH" jimh_osudad@yahooDOT com wrote in message . .. - The electric chair was invented by a dentist. That's right. Keep pushing me. |
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#10
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NOYB wrote:
Well isn't Chuck the Eagle Scout! Rather doubt it, but it does raise an interesting question. Just who are the Eagle Scouts contribution to this NG? Both my son and I can claim that honor, but he also earned his God and Country Award. I went further in OA than he did and served some grueling times as troop Committee Chairman. Wonder how many Eagles we have in this group? -- Skipper |
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