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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:22:15 -0400, John H
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 15:26:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/28/2017 3:21 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:46:47 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

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On 10/28/17 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze
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On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
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On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.* I just wish
they weren't so boring to drive.*

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds.* Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way.* The Canyon I bought has a V6
rated at 308 hp.* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a
lot.* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for
kicks.* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.

===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.


I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70.
I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could
not pass...Wayne RoadRage...

I am glad you stay in maryland



I'll be in Florida in December and in March or April.

Driving slow in the left lane on I-95 with your turn signal on and
little old ladies giving you the finger I guess.
Just be careful around Miami. They shoot at snowbirds who **** up
traffic there.


Here, driving slow in the left lane, even the speed limit gets you an
impeding traffic ticket.



I wish they'd monitor impeding traffic and following too close a lot more.



There's a dilemma. The ones going too slow are causing the others to
follow too close. Everyone gets a ticket. :-)


I think states should have 'traffic enforcement' cops. All they do is write traffic tickets. Pay for
themselves, need little training, etc.


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Be careful what you ask for... :-)
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On 10/28/17 3:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 15:20:32 -0400, John H
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:31:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish
they weren't so boring to drive.Â*

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6
rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a
lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for
kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.

===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.


When pulling the trailer, I set the speed to about 63. Without it, I'll set it at 73. On the
interstates. Much easier than trying to beat the herd. Just let them pass me.


===

If you're pulling a trailer and staying in the right lane, that's fine
with me. Jerks like Harree who intentionally clog the passing lane,
not so much.


Never said or suggested I would clog the passing lane, asshole. All I
said was that I would enjoy having you stuck behind me while I was doing
the speed limit or a little less, because I am sure you get road rage
when that happens to you. As if you were important or had someplace you
had to get to that would require you to speed dangerously.
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:10:55 -0400, Keyser Soze
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On 10/28/17 3:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 15:20:32 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:31:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.* I just wish
they weren't so boring to drive.*

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds.* Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way.* The Canyon I bought has a V6
rated at 308 hp.* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a
lot.* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for
kicks.* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.

===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.

When pulling the trailer, I set the speed to about 63. Without it, I'll set it at 73. On the
interstates. Much easier than trying to beat the herd. Just let them pass me.


===

If you're pulling a trailer and staying in the right lane, that's fine
with me. Jerks like Harree who intentionally clog the passing lane,
not so much.


Never said or suggested I would clog the passing lane, asshole. All I
said was that I would enjoy having you stuck behind me while I was doing
the speed limit or a little less, because I am sure you get road rage
when that happens to you. As if you were important or had someplace you
had to get to that would require you to speed dangerously.


===

Harree, you may go down in history as one of the most miserable old
farts that ever lived.
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On 10/28/17 5:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:10:55 -0400, Keyser Soze
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On 10/28/17 3:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 15:20:32 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 11:31:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish
they weren't so boring to drive.Â*

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6
rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a
lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for
kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.

===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.

When pulling the trailer, I set the speed to about 63. Without it, I'll set it at 73. On the
interstates. Much easier than trying to beat the herd. Just let them pass me.

===

If you're pulling a trailer and staying in the right lane, that's fine
with me. Jerks like Harree who intentionally clog the passing lane,
not so much.


Never said or suggested I would clog the passing lane, asshole. All I
said was that I would enjoy having you stuck behind me while I was doing
the speed limit or a little less, because I am sure you get road rage
when that happens to you. As if you were important or had someplace you
had to get to that would require you to speed dangerously.


===

Harree, you may go down in history as one of the most miserable old
farts that ever lived.



Here's more, Wayne. If I am driving on the Interstate at the 65 or 70
mph speed limit or close to it, and some asshole like you passes me at
80 or 85 mph, and that asshole is stopped a few miles down the road by a
trooper for speeding or reckless driving or both, why, it makes me break
out in a big smile. Speeding ****heads like you put everyone's life on
that road at greater risk. Unless you are rushing to get a sick
passenger to the hospital, there is no rational reason for driving the
way you say you do.


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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:38:42 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
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On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 12:36:15 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze
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On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation.Â* I just wish
they weren't so boring to drive.Â*

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds.Â* Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way.Â* The Canyon I bought has a V6
rated at 308 hp.Â* It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a
lot.Â* I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for
kicks.Â* Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.

===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.


I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70.
I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you could
not pass...Wayne RoadRage...


I am glad you stay in maryland


They are everywhere. The old and senile drive like that here, too.


It is like that here in the winter but in the summer those people go
home. Like Harry they think it is too hot, hurricane scare them etc.
My favorite song
Summertime and the drivin' is easy
Traffic is movin' cause the frogheads are gone
Drivin's a bitch when the snowbirds all come here
but I live here all year, I live here all year long.©




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On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 16:22:15 -0400, John H
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I think states should have 'traffic enforcement' cops. All they do is write traffic tickets. Pay for
themselves, need little training, etc.


Most do. They are called the state police AKA speeder maids.

The FSP got in trouble here for suggesting there was a quota.

In Maryland it was just a fact. The sargent I fished with said they
didn't put up a number, they just told the cops, if you are not seeing
violations, you must be sleeping in your car. They wanted big numbers,
20 a day was not uncommon. Speeding was a revenue stream for them and
they mass produced tickets.

They would have RADAR on the beltway and 20 cops standing in the road
over the next hill waving everyone over and giving them a ticket ...
30 at a time.
That area between New Hampshire avenue and University was famous for
it. They set up the RADAR on the overpass and when you dropped down
into that bowl on the other side west bound, there they were. They
would load up 25 or 30 cars in the median, start writing and let the
traffic start moving again. By the time they were done with them they
had 30 more coming at them at 10+ over. The cops usually had the
tickets already made out except the time and the name of the driver.

The old sarge was so frustrated that he was just running a ticket
factory he was just counting the days until he could retire
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2017 8:22 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just
wish they weren't so boring to drive.

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has a
V6 rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really
like a lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of
times for kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck
can scoot right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder
auto up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and
averaged 37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights,
driving. That sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a
nice-sized four-door sedan.


I get 20-22 MPG driving around town (no highway driving) under similar
conditions as you described. Haven't taken a long highway trip yet,
so I don't know what kind of mileage it gets.

The V6 and 8 speed transmission in the 2017 Canyon replaces the V6 and
6 speed it used in previous years. It has a little more horsepower
and torque. It's not a new engine or transmission. It has been used
in the Cadillac SUV for a few years. GMC just decided to use it in
the Canyon, probably to up the towing capacity from 6k to 7k lbs.



I thought the Canyon used to have an unreliable 5cyl engine.
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish
they weren't so boring to drive.
===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that.

Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has a V6
rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a
lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for
kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.

===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.


I just checked and in the last six months I drove over 80 3.2% of the
time. That's rolling along with normal traffic in a 70mph zone.
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just wish
they weren't so boring to drive.

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought has
a V6
rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really like a
lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of times for
kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and
averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.


===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.


I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is
70. I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you
could not pass...Wayne RoadRage...


If I use the full 420 HP on tap I could pass you in the time it takes
you to sneeze.
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/28/17 12:35 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 12:31:58 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/28/17 11:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:22:59 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/27/17 10:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/27/2017 10:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Its Me

wrote:

Toyota and Honda builds good, reliable transportation. I just
wish
they weren't so boring to drive.

===

The V6 Honda Accord develops about 290 hp and does 0 to 60 in a bit
over 6 seconds. Nothing boring about that.


Engine efficiencies have come a long way. The Canyon I bought
has a V6
rated at 308 hp. It has an 8 speed transmission that I really
like a
lot. I rarely accelerate hard but have tried it a couple of
times for
kicks. Shifts are quick and positive and the little truck can scoot
right along.


What are you averaging for MPGs? If I drive "rationally," I'm getting
about 23-25 MPG in suburban areas with light traffic and a few
stoplights, and 27-29 MPG on the Interstates if I stay at my typical
60-65 mph. Six-speed manual tranny. Drove wife's Camry 4-cylinder
auto
up to Bowie earlier this week, about 30 miles, on U.S. 301, and
averaged
37 MPG for light traffic, but plenty of traffic lights, driving. That
sort of MPG will put a smile on my face with a nice-sized four-door
sedan.

===

If you drive 60 to 65 on the interstates you should be arrested for
obstructing traffic. Here in FL 80 to 85 is more like it. Even in
nanny states like NY people are now doing 70 to 75.


I drive at the posted limit or usually a few mph below it, if it is 70.
I would love having you behind me in your car in a place where you
could
not pass...Wayne RoadRage...


I am glad you stay in maryland



I'll be in Florida in December and in March or April.


Thanks for the warning.
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