On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.

Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:27:49 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400, wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.

===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

Now that I have the trick down, it is just as easy for me to have
about 1 rung above the roof line and I go directly over it. I got used
to the drill when I was only going up one story above my deck in
Maryland.
Before that it was a 2 story with a 4' basement wall below that and it
was just spooky on a cheap 3 piece extension ladder, 20 some feet up.


When I used to get up on the main roof, I would throw a 100' climbers rope up over the roof and tie it off to the deck on the opposite side. I also had an 8' piece of old garden hose inserted at the mid point of the rope to guard against chafe at the roof ridge. I started off with a climber's harness and then moved up to a proper safety harness that was attached to the climbing rope through various climbing devices. I also use the harness anytime I'm above 18 feet (height of eaves trough)

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:27:49 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400, wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.

===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

Now that I have the trick down, it is just as easy for me to have
about 1 rung above the roof line and I go directly over it. I got used
to the drill when I was only going up one story above my deck in
Maryland.
Before that it was a 2 story with a 4' basement wall below that and it
was just spooky on a cheap 3 piece extension ladder, 20 some feet up.

Oh yeah...I also have good quality 2 piece Grade 1 extension ladders. The 36 footer is getting a bit heavy to handle at 80 pounds.

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:32:01 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.

The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)

No VA involvement. I was taken to a nearby hospital ER. The radiologist provided a written
description and a CD with the pictures to the attending doc in ER. She inserted the CD and showed me
what she thought were fractures. She thought one 'L' shaped fracture was two smaller fractures. I'll
see if I can post a picture of the X-ray just for the hell of it. The second pic is a crop showing
just the fracture. Imagine an 'L' tilted clockwise about 20 degrees.

We'll see if this works.

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 09:33:24 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.

Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!


What's with the "Cute burgundy color!" description....

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:50:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/19/2017 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.

The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)


Not unusual though. The VA offered me an ultrasound scan as a general
screening for guys my age. They are looking for the risk of an
abdominal aortic aneurysm which can be deadly because there are no
symptoms and if the artery bursts it's usually fatal because you can't
get to the hospital in time. The lab tech (quite the cutie!) probably
tested guys all day and then later a doc reviewed all the test scans.
The VA is pretty good about this stuff. They follow up with a phone
call later and then a letter in the mail with the results. I was fine.
No risk of an aneurysm.

My doc found my abdominal aortic aneurysm during a routine physical. He put my hand on my stomach
and said 'feel this'. I said I felt my heartbeat. He said I shouldn't be able to feel it there.
Ultrasound scan showed it to be expanded to about 4.5cm. Normal size is about 2.5cm. We monitored,
but within a year it had gotten to 6.5cm, which is when it got repaired. Plastic tubing. Smokers are
more at risk for these than non-smokers, so don't start smoking!

On 9/20/2017 8:54 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:50:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/19/2017 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:23:20 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.

The VA must be living in the 20th century. The girl shot several xrays
of my foot and seconds later the doc was looking at them on his
computer. (turning, zooming and all the other computer tricks)


Not unusual though. The VA offered me an ultrasound scan as a general
screening for guys my age. They are looking for the risk of an
abdominal aortic aneurysm which can be deadly because there are no
symptoms and if the artery bursts it's usually fatal because you can't
get to the hospital in time. The lab tech (quite the cutie!) probably
tested guys all day and then later a doc reviewed all the test scans.
The VA is pretty good about this stuff. They follow up with a phone
call later and then a letter in the mail with the results. I was fine.
No risk of an aneurysm.

My doc found my abdominal aortic aneurysm during a routine physical. He put my hand on my stomach
and said 'feel this'. I said I felt my heartbeat. He said I shouldn't be able to feel it there.
Ultrasound scan showed it to be expanded to about 4.5cm. Normal size is about 2.5cm. We monitored,
but within a year it had gotten to 6.5cm, which is when it got repaired. Plastic tubing. Smokers are
more at risk for these than non-smokers, so don't start smoking!


I was a smoker for years but have all but given it up as of about 4
years ago. I confess though, that once in a great while when I am with
someone who smokes, I'll bum one from him and light up. I know I
shouldn't but it feels sooooooo good. I have to redouble my commitment
not to smoke afterwards.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:33:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.

Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!

Will they let you use that on the green?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 05:42:00 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:27:49 UTC-3, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 23:41:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:26:52 -0400, wrote:

I never had a problem climbing onto a roof but, for years, I had
trouble getting back on the ladder to get down.

===

What helps me is to extend the ladder 4 or 5 feet above the roof line
so you've got something to grab onto before you get to the edge.

Now that I have the trick down, it is just as easy for me to have
about 1 rung above the roof line and I go directly over it. I got used
to the drill when I was only going up one story above my deck in
Maryland.
Before that it was a 2 story with a 4' basement wall below that and it
was just spooky on a cheap 3 piece extension ladder, 20 some feet up.

Oh yeah...I also have good quality 2 piece Grade 1 extension ladders. The 36 footer is getting a bit heavy to handle at 80 pounds.

I really do not miss multi story houses. I can get off my roof without
a ladder if I need to. I keep an old aluminum ladder propped up in a
back corner anyway so it is quick access when I need to get up there.
That was handy during a lull in the storm because I could give my roof
a quick peek without any real effort.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 05:50:26 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 September 2017 09:33:24 UTC-3, John H wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 10:27:48 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:07:20 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:29:44 -0400, John H
wrote:

I did that in the pool once and it took a year to get over it

Did you bust the heel bone (calcaneus)? The ER doc said surgery with screws and plates. I'm hoping
she was exaggerating. But, the more I read about it, the less I like it!

I was afraid that was what it was but it was just a severely smashed
planar tendon. They talked about doing a lot of stuff but I just wore
cross trainers for about a year instead of my boat shoes and it got
better. I still get a twinge now and then but I am basically OK.

In this case there's no doubt the bone is broke in a few places. But it's not dislocated, so maybe
screws won't be necessary. I'll know a lot more this afternoon when the Doc has looked at the
X-rays.


Hopefully all you will need as a cast so the bones can mend by
themselves. Good luck.

Back from the doc. Only one break, but it goes from the top almost to the bottom and then bends back
towards the back of the bone. The entire bone is broken, but not much displaced. Therefore he thinks
surgery will not be necessary. He'll know more after a CT scan on Thursday. Right now he's thinking
2-3 months in the boot with no weight on the foot.

Am investing in one of these:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...311653608.html

Maybe I can motorize it later. Probably outrun a Ducati!


What's with the "Cute burgundy color!" description....

What part don't you understand?