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I do hope you don't miss my point Dave.
You criticized my original source, saying it was biased and used 2 year old data. So I used your source to locate current data to support my position, and still you're not happy? Granted, the data are narrow, and perhaps not part of a trend, but if I wait for a trend to develop, you'll dismiss it as old. If you're mind is made up, then why bother discussing this further? Scout "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:57:15 GMT, "Scout" said: Hey, I'm just posting links that support what I'm saying. Just don't put too much weight on that straw you're grasping. |
#262
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It's obvious to everyone that Scotti Potti is a fool.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Obvious to everyone but gaynz. SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IC0Zd.29872$ZO2.17429@edtnps84... Gee Whiz Gaynzy..... It's obvious that your rampant, idiotic blubbering and incapability to formulate coherent replies has a lot to do with how you are treated..... that and the fact you are a frail limp wristed flaming HOMO!!! |
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:00:11 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: Bwahahaaa.... you're so obviously insecure about yourself.... keep at it dufus. Good comeback. NOT! Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
#264
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It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to
speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
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"katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . .. . . Canada. Max |
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Scout, you're talking about Dave? Mr. Poodle? He doesn't engage in
"discussions" unless he's absolutely, 100 percent right, in his own mind. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
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The rules are... if you require hyperlinks.. you don't know what you're
talking about and quoting a 3rd party don't cut it! You never see me pasting hyperlinks... and I'm always right! The key.... Gentlemen... is to never let facts get in the way of the truth! CM "Scout" wrote in message ... It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
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What utter bull****.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . . . . Canada. Max |
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Northwest Territory would be nice for them....
"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . . . . Canada. Max |
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No..you're analogy is wrong....we're not talking about Reponses but initial
actions....responses are an entirely different matter...a person can assertively request another to get them a cup of coffee...by doing so, the other person, responding to the assertiveness, does not lose face, does not take on the role of servitude, retains some aspect of equality or equanimity....a person aggressively requesting another get them a cup of coffee negates the importance of that other person, takes away their respect, and lowers their position in regards to others... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1i3Zd.27317$i6.16694@edtnps90... Not at all.... everyone has an opinion, that has nothing to do with assertive behaviour. The example of the dog is a poor one since you seem to think that refusal to comply with a request is being assertive. Being assertive is refusal to comply with direction or treatment that exceeds a boundary you have established. Once that refusal is made... aggressive behaviour is enacted, since the action of declining or taking a stand requires it. Let's use another example. If someone where to direct you to fetch coffee... even if done politely, compliance to that request is dependent on several factors. Once you weigh the factors you make a decision to comply or refuse. Now, what I'm saying is that such direction would never be considered nor even directed to an aggressive personality..... since assertiveness goes hand in hand with aggressive behaviour the "direction" would be quickly reconsidered and reduced to a "request". A person who is non-aggressive or not assertive would be the primary candidate for direction due to their perceived position in the pecking order. To elevate yourself in the pecking order requires you take a stand... that action requires you to be aggressive. While you may be assertive in presenting your point of view in this matter... you have as well been aggressively defending your misconceptions. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
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