Seahag wrote:
Right now I'm working on the exterior teak. I finally got Cetol on the cap
rail under the taffrail.

AAAACK... Cetol?!?!? What's the point?


... We've finally come up with a do-able plan for the
mainmast support rebuild, so that might happen soon. The weather's getting
pretty hot and sticky so I don't know how much I can do.

We're already at "hot & sticky." Temps hovering around 100 (38 C) on our
dock Saturday afternoon. Hordes of mostquitoes, too. What you do about
it is get up at 00:dark:30 and work by the pink light of dawn, then take
a nap in the air conditioning (or work on some different project down in
the nice cool engine room). Gotta make some adjustments to life down South.

What's up with mast supports? Are you switching to deck stepped masts?

BTW was it Bill who filmed that footage of the Clintons snoozing at
Reagan's funeral? I didn't see it but a couple of friends have mentioned
it... priceless!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote:
Seahag wrote:
Right now I'm working on the exterior teak. I finally got Cetol on the
cap
rail under the taffrail.

AAAACK... Cetol?!?!? What's the point?

Cetol is great once you learn how to use it. It's way more forgiving on
older teak than varnish. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to put on
16 coats of varnish only to have the plugs and seams blow damn near every
spring. F**k varnish:^)

... We've finally come up with a do-able plan for the
mainmast support rebuild, so that might happen soon. The weather's
getting
pretty hot and sticky so I don't know how much I can do.

What's up with mast supports? Are you switching to deck stepped masts?

The main mast step is on the sole so there needs to be something between
that and the keel besides 18" of air. There were a couple of loose chunks
of oak, but we'd like something more likely to stay in place when the you
know hits the fan.

BTW was it Bill who filmed that footage of the Clintons snoozing at
Reagan's funeral? I didn't see it but a couple of friends have mentioned
it... priceless!

Hahahaha, Prince Charlie was pretty out too, ya shoulda seen it! That was
at the cathedral, Bill was on the porch of the Capitol, he did all the
camera moves on Nancy and the coffin.

Seahag

Seahag wrote
Cetol is great once you learn how to use it.

Maybe that's the trouble. Of all the people I've ever seen use it, the
best looks like a layer of smeared-on orange jello. The new stuff "Cetol
Lite" looks a little better.

Judging by how quickly it turns to crap, and how much touch up work it
seems to need to avert this, IMHO it doesn't last one minute longer than
varnish, either. Makes more sense to put on a coat of paint.


.... It's way more forgiving on
older teak than varnish. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to put on
16 coats of varnish only to have the plugs and seams blow damn near every
spring. F**k varnish:^)

Never had this problem. Sounds like the wood is getting too much
moisture into it. What are you using for a base coat? What's it bedded
on? 16 coats of varnish ought to hold up much better than that. Right
now we're on coat #11 (my wife is doing 99% of it).

I had a conversation with a guy on our dock who is PO'd about his Cetol
that he switched to last year. He got fed up with varnish (apparently he
got the impression that 3 or 4 coats was enough to last a year) and
sanded his gunwhale, eyebrow, handrails (now *there's* a PITA) etc etc
down to bare wood so as to put on Cetol Lite. Looked like orange jello,
but at least you could almost see the wood grain. Now it's mostly flaked
off and the wood's got black spots again.


What's up with mast supports? Are you switching to deck stepped masts?


The main mast step is on the sole so there needs to be something between
that and the keel besides 18" of air. There were a couple of loose chunks
of oak, but we'd like something more likely to stay in place when the you
know hits the fan.

I'd consider molding in some fiberglass supports. From what you've
already done with the hanging knees, it shouldn't be too hard. Metal
corrodes and wood rots. Besides you can mold in a little gutter & basin
to catch the sap running out of the mast


Hahahaha, Prince Charlie was pretty out too, ya shoulda seen it!

Why am I not surprised...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Maybe that's the trouble. Of all the people I've ever seen use it, the
best looks like a layer of smeared-on orange jello. The new stuff "Cetol
Lite" looks a little better.

Judging by how quickly it turns to crap, and how much touch up work it
seems to need to avert this, IMHO it doesn't last one minute longer than
varnish, either.

Doug, I've been using Cetol for 9 years with no problems and it certainly
doesn't look orange. Alien's floors were done with cetol.

http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/int23.jpg

People always assume it's varnish. Proper use of Cetol provides varnish like
results with FAR less work. Varnish takes more effort, but I've seen it last a
long long time.

Proper use of Cetol
1) Sand with 80, then 160 if you like
2) Wash with water bleach mixture
3) Wipe down with acetone. Teak should appear light colored with no grey!
4) Apply light single coat of cetol, then 2nd 24 hours later. Use sponge brush
ONLY.
5) Apply Cetol gloss coat, then second coat.

Maintain with cetol gloss ONLY.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:
Doug, I've been using Cetol for 9 years with no problems and it certainly
doesn't look orange. Alien's floors were done with cetol.

Hey stupid- an interior finish does not have to stand up to UV.

DSK

Doug, I've been using Cetol for 9 years with no problems and it certainly
doesn't look orange. Alien's floors were done with cetol.

Hey stupid- an interior finish does not have to stand up to UV.


Hey, moron, you were talking about it looking ORANGE, not where it was applied.
Maybe it only looks orange to you outside, brainless?
Still, Ghost's Cetol is still in place after 5 seasons.
As usual, Doug, you manage to make an ass of yourself. You're quite the Cetol
expert!

Jerk! Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Maybe that's the trouble. Of all the people I've ever seen use it, the
best looks like a layer of smeared-on orange jello. The new stuff "Cetol
Lite" looks a little better.

Judging by how quickly it turns to crap, and how much touch up work it
seems to need to avert this, IMHO it doesn't last one minute longer than
varnish, either.

Doug, I've been using Cetol for 9 years with no problems and it certainly
doesn't look orange. Alien's floors were done with cetol.

http://hometown.aol.com/bobsprit/images/int23.jpg

People always assume it's varnish. Proper use of Cetol provides varnish
like
results with FAR less work. Varnish takes more effort, but I've seen it
last a
long long time.

Proper use of Cetol
1) Sand with 80, then 160 if you like
2) Wash with water bleach mixture
3) Wipe down with acetone. Teak should appear light colored with no grey!
4) Apply light single coat of cetol, then 2nd 24 hours later. Use sponge
brush
ONLY.
5) Apply Cetol gloss coat, then second coat.

Maintain with cetol gloss ONLY.


and then set the pumpkins out and wait for the 'trick-or-treaters.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:


Proper use of Cetol
1) Sand with 80, then 160 if you like

160? Pretty unusual grit, 120 or 180 sure.

2) Wash with water bleach mixture
3) Wipe down with acetone. Teak should appear light colored with no grey!

I think the secret here is the acetone, (not a very nice solvent to be using in close confines of your cabin BTW), it acts a degreaser and strips the
natural oils from the surface of the teak and lets the cetol get a 'grip'.

I think teak decks should be left unfinished but occasionaly holy stoned, teak joinery should have regular application of teak oil, no varnish or cetol.

Cheers
Marty

I think the secret here is the acetone, (not a very nice solvent to be using in
close confines of your cabin BTW), it acts a degreaser and strips the
natural oils from the surface of the teak and lets the cetol get a 'grip'.

yep. The bleach water mix is to get the sanding dust off and to brighten the
wood a bit for better color. Acetone really drys out the upper surface and teak
is naturally oily wood. Works great, looks good and lasts and lasts.
Unless you're dumb like Doug!

RB

Bobsprit wrote:
yep. The bleach water mix is to get the sanding dust off and to brighten the
wood a bit for better color.

Funny, I have never used bleach on any of our wood. If you want to get
off the dust, using a shop vac with a brush attachment works best.
Putting water onto wood that you are going to try and put a finish on is
not a good idea, especially in a humid climate.

... Acetone really drys out the upper surface and teak
is naturally oily wood.

Haven't done that on our current boat. However we have used a thinned
clear coat which penetrates into the wood.

... Works great, looks good and lasts and lasts.
Unless you're dumb like Doug!

If I'm dumb, then how come people have left us notes on the boat saying
how beautiful the woodwork is? We have the prettiest boat with the
prettiest varnish for miles and miles around.

Fresh Varnish- Doug King