But the plain fact is that there are a lot of things
on boats that have no counterpart in everyday life. If you want to talk
about them, then you need to know the right word(s).

EdGordonRN wrote:
If my wife turned to me in the boat and said "harden up" I'm afraid my only
reply would have to be: "Right here? Right now?" So, why don't you tell me what
it means? I have a feeling it has something to do with sheeting in the main or
jib to keep them from luffing, but I honestly don't know, and as you can see,
it means so much to me.

Good guess, that is what it means, in conjuction with the helm. This
would be said by a helmsman to let the crew know that he was turning
towards the wind slightly, and to pull the sheets in. Thus it's a
nautical phrase that would only be used in sailing, and it's not phony
at all.

DSK

EdGordonRN wrote:

If my wife turned to me in the boat and said "harden up" I'm afraid
my only reply would have to be: "Right here? Right now?" So, why
don't you tell me what it means? I have a feeling it has something to
do with sheeting in the main or jib to keep them from luffing, but I
honestly don't know, and as you can see, it means so much to me.

Go from a reach to a beat. Opposite of 'bear away'.

Since you have a desire to eschew standard nautical terminology, what would
you call it?


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Why are you adding in factors that he hasn't mentioned?

Because they are typical factors. Boats that sail close hauled also fall off
from time to time, especially when they are out for a daysail. Are you
suggesting that Ed was hard on the wind, eyes blazing as he went upwind as far
as possible?
Puh-lease.
Wally, you've been exposed as a simple and rather poor troll, trying to apply
exact math to someone casual comments about a daysail.
Shame on you. Launch your boat and you'll feel less bitter.

RB

Not to get in-between what is shaping up to be a good fight, but we were all
over the points of sail. In general we beat it out and ran back. As for the
road map I use, it doesn't show depth, but I have a kick up centerboard that
stats to make a funny noise when it scraps the bottom. Is there a term for
that? I suppose I'm supposed to yell out" "scrapings-a-hove" or some such
thing. That does it, damnit! I'm getting a cheesy fake parrot to pin to the
shoulder of my wetsuit and I'm getting an eye patch, too.

So, if the wind drops below 9mph, you'll be paddling? Becalmed? Eaten by
seagulls?

If we're becalmed, we anchor, swim, paddle or whatever, but we don't go out if
there's no wind. Why would we?

Bobsprit wrote:

Because they are typical factors. Boats that sail close hauled also
fall off from time to time, especially when they are out for a
daysail. Are you suggesting that Ed was hard on the wind, eyes
blazing as he went upwind as far as possible?

I'll allow for some gusts, and I'll allow for the odd fall away or luff up
when the helm admires the view. Even allowing for these factors (which I
agree are typical), I'd still like to hear how much weather helm is typical
in an 11mph wind, such that a 3 mile beat, followed by a 3 mile run, will
take you back to your start point.

I don't *think* he said he was sailing a raft... ...maybe you think he was?


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

I think he's counting on being swept up in the Rapture.

No such thing. The first coming of Christ was Jesus, the second coming is when
you become Christ and begin to establish the kingdom of God on earth. I could
talk about this all day--are you sure you want to go there?

EdGordonRN wrote:
Not to get in-between what is shaping up to be a good fight, but we
were all over the points of sail. In general we beat it out and ran
back. As for the road map I use, it doesn't show depth, but I have a
kick up centerboard that stats to make a funny noise when it scraps
the bottom. Is there a term for that? I suppose I'm supposed to yell
out" "scrapings-a-hove" or some such thing.

Something like, "oops", "ah", or "very interesting" will suffice.


That does it, damnit! I'm
getting a cheesy fake parrot to pin to the shoulder of my wetsuit and
I'm getting an eye patch, too.

You have to start from the basics - name your boat after a famous pirate
ship and fly the Jolly Roger. Then work on the parrot and the eye patch.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Go from a reach to a beat. Opposite of 'bear away'.

Since you have a desire to eschew standard nautical terminology, what would
you call it?

Hmph. I never knew that. Harden up. We were saying "head up." If we were on a
reach we would say, "head up a little" to change direction into the wind and go
close hauled. So, what does head up mean, then?

EdGordonRN wrote:

As for the
road map I use, it doesn't show depth, but I have a kick up centerboard that
stats to make a funny noise when it scraps the bottom. Is there a term for
that?

Yes. It's called running aground.

I suppose I'm supposed to yell out" "scrapings-a-hove" or some such
thing.

I believe the proper nautical terminology is "Crap! Pull the
centerboard up!"

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// Walt
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