On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:33:33 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Smithers wrote:

Harry,
Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get
Home Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?

You're really trying, eh?
Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?

Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post
with your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a
lunch meeting you were trying to set up.

Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound familiar?

You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used
a real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up
getting punched in the nose.


Kevin?


You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
real name at a meeting you wanted.

Kevin?


You are a pusillanimous pussy.


Kevin!

I think he meant pussywillowish.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

The salmon guys like that setup also, lets them troll at just a couple
of knots or so....Yes the hydrogen does pose some explosive issues, for
sure... But then again the Coast Guard, of all orgs., was on board with
putting catalytic converters on boats...Yikes!

Harry,

So you would like to meet for lunch. Good, I look forward to it.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Smithers wrote:
Dan,
I think Harry is upset because I offered to meet him for lunch, and sit
across the table from him. I wanted to see if Harry is as weak as I
imagine him to be.

Unfortunately, Harry is too weak and cowardly to even meet for lunch. I
can understand why.



You're lying again, pussy.


--
No Child Left Behind: There are always jobs in the military.

On 15 Dec 2005 21:44:36 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

But in a single engine config. such as in many
trawlers,etc.,there are some inherent problems with a wing engine
configuration, most notable is the tendency to yaw excessively making
navigating tedious at best

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Any good autopilot can deal with that without too much difficulty.
Most of the long range cruisers that really need get home power will
already be heavy displacement with a decent keel however. We met some
people this summer with a Skookum 53 LRC that had a small wing engine
on its own off center shaft with a feathering prop. That boat had a
range under power of over 5,000 miles and they were in transit to
South America when we met them. No one really needs get home power in
a coastal cruiser unless you are allergic to yellow boats or poorly
maintained.

"Wayne.B" wrote:

No one really needs get home power in a coastal cruiser unless you are
allergic to yellow boats or poorly maintained.

That is just plain foolish and untrue. Any single stinkpot can benefit
from a 'get home' option. As technology advances this feature will
become ever more popular.

--
Skipper

What kind of get home option do you have for your stinkpots/s, Skipper? I
would love to read about your personal experiences with them.
JIM
"Skipper" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote:

No one really needs get home power in a coastal cruiser unless you are
allergic to yellow boats or poorly maintained.

That is just plain foolish and untrue. Any single stinkpot can benefit
from a 'get home' option. As technology advances this feature will
become ever more popular.

--
Skipper

Yhat's true, as long as you can maintain the capability to keep ahead
of the demand on your batteries....

Smithers wrote:

Dan,
I think Harry is upset because I offered to meet him for lunch, and sit
across the table from him. I wanted to see if Harry is as weak as I imagine
him to be.

Unfortunately, Harry is too weak and cowardly to even meet for lunch. I can
understand why.


"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
k.net...

Harry Krause wrote:


Smithers wrote:


Harry,
Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?


You're really trying, eh?
Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?

Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post with
your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a lunch
meeting you were trying to set up.

Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound
familiar?

You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used a
real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up getting
punched in the nose.


Kevin?



You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
real name at a meeting you wanted.

Kevin?


You are a pusillanimous pussy.


Kevin!




My response wasn't directed at Harry. It was just uncanny how he seemed
to be describing Kevin. Not only does Kevin not see how cowardly his
behavior is, he repeatedly posts "I'm not Kevin, insert profanity here
and makes of lame excuses for "borrowing" someones name. I don't see
anythig wrong with "Basskisser, Poco Loco, Smithers", etc but the fact
that he "borrows" a name is just pathetic.

Dan

In this area they are red boats....
I think the allergies are outpaced by people foolish enough to forego
with towing insurance..
That being said, the Channel Islands are a popular destination for
"coastal cruisers" and there can be a 5 or 6 hour response time for
towing depending on conditions, etc. I would be much more comfortable
with some type of backup propulsion as opposed to waiting for
assistance to arrive... My "coastal cruising" sailboat has a 40 hp.
Isuzu diesel auxillary(yes, overkill,factory diesel was 12 hp one
lunger,but it came with the boat) but I still have installed a
swingdown bracket for the outboard from my dighy, there's a lot to be
said for maneuverability in less than desireable situations. Poor
maintanence does not preclude you from hitting a submerged object and
losing your screw, or any of many other maladies that can
occur....having a plan "B" is ALWAYS better than having no backup...And
in addressing coastal cruising, many harbor entrances themselves are
sometimes challenging to transit... mine takes you less than 100 yards
off the beach, and often within yards of the rollers.
A person can easily drown in the surf zone, even with their PFD
on...I've seen it.. would it not be better to have been able to power
out of that situation instead of having the attitude that "I don't need
it, I'm well maintained and I like yellow boats"? Did you happen to
see what happened to the Irving Johnson 30 yards from my harbor's
entrance (it was nationally televised) That was a highly maintained
heavy full keeled vessel, but alas, it was powerless after losing the
main..
Nothing like an accident waiting to happen....

On 18 Dec 2005 18:30:01 -0800, "markvictor"
wrote:

That was a highly maintained
heavy full keeled vessel, but alas, it was powerless after losing the
main..
Nothing like an accident waiting to happen....

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That was kind of a special situation where they lost power at a
particularly inopportune moment, right at the breakwater entrance as I
recall. It's not clear to me that "get home power" would have saved
them in the split seconds they had available.

By my definition, all sailboats have "get home power". It's called
the wind, and if that fails there's always the anchor or the dinghy.
I've motored 40 footers weighing 20,000 lbs into the dock with a
dinghy and 2 hp outboard strapped along side. It works in calm
conditions, otherwise you anchor and wait it out.

My comment was directed more at single engine power boats in the 25 to
40 foot range since twin engine boats have get home power by
definition. A single engine boat in the 25 to 40 foot range is too
big for an outboard kicker on a stern bracket to be really effective,
and therefore needs a much more expensive inboard solution with
secondary shafts, feathering props, etc. Considering that the expense
of such an installation is likely to be in the $20 to $30K range, a
$120/year SeaTow membership and good maintenance practices are likely
to be much more cost effective. The guys who *really* need get home
power are single engine power boats who are out 20 or more miles from
assistance and beyond SeaTow range.