One of my best memories was the day I was backing it off the trailer at a 3-lane
ramp at a resevoir near my home. A beautiful woman sitting in a newer Baja next
to me looked over and mentioned I had a "beautiful boat" and then turned to her
husband/boyfriend/whatever and commented that " I wish we had one like that".


Now THAT's funny!

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:09:58 +0000, Ron M. wrote:

HEYYYYY, it's time to break out the old "Bayliner Observations." Let's see...
(blows off dust, coughs...)

Now, NONE of these represent my personal or subjective opinions. These are
objective, factual, empirical observations I've made over 40-plus years of
boating experience. OK?


I, too cannot say I've ever owned a Bayliner, but also have over 40 yrs boating
experience. MY observation is that, if they are such crap, why are there SO MANY
of them still around after 20-30 years? Around here, any powerboat over 20 years
old is probably a ChrisCraft, Fibreform, Tolly, Campion, or, most probably, a
Bayliner.

Why haven't they sank, broken up, fallen apart or whatever "everyone" seems to
think they do?

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


I, too cannot say I've ever owned a Bayliner, but also have over 40 yrs boating
experience. MY observation is that, if they are such crap, why are there SO MANY
of them still around after 20-30 years? Around here, any powerboat over 20 years
old is probably a ChrisCraft, Fibreform, Tolly, Campion, or, most probably, a
Bayliner.

Why haven't they sank, broken up, fallen apart or whatever "everyone" seems to
think they do?

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36


Sheer numbers made.

I've never owned a Bayliner. They are usually OK, tape stripes instead
of Gel, smaller or lighter fittings, lighter weight upholstery, other
such things on their runabouts. 1970's Glastrons had lots of integrity
problems with wood in the floors & transoms, but around here the
Glastrons far outnumber the Bayliners. On our small lake, there are 6
Glastrons, zero Bayliners. Only one of the Glastrons came from the
local dealer.

Rob

From:

HEYYYYY, it's time to break out the old "Bayliner Observations."
Let's see... (blows off dust, coughs...)

Now, NONE of these represent my personal or subjective opinions. These
are objective, factual, empirical observations I've made over 40-plus
years of boating experience. OK?

1. I've been boating for over 40 years, and know many boat mechanics
personally. Independent mechanics, not dealership mechanics. Guys that
work on every boat made, all day, every day. Without exception, they
say Bayliners are "cheaply made."

2. I remember looking at a 21' Trophy cuddy cabin in a Bayliner
showroom. I pressed the tip of my forefinger against the side, and the
outer layer of fiberglass moved in and out about 1/4 an inch. Try this
with a good boat, like a Mako or Grady or my 1993 Robalo - thump it
with the heel of your hand; it feels like concrete slab. I'm serious:
that's not an exaggeration.

3. BOATING magazine reviewed a Bayliner runabout a few years back.
They described its construction as "flimsy."

4. EVERY time I see some dickhead thumping across the lake with his
fenders bouncing wildly around the hull, he's in a Bayliner. Why is
this? There must be a reason.

5. I live at a large recreational lake (about 30,000 acres), and know
most of the local marina owners and operators, and often take a break
and watch their customers come and go. Usually, when somebody pulls
up to the gas pumps, the gas boys jump up and help them tie off, step
onto the dock, pump their gas, etc. But many, many times I've seen
the guy in a Bayliner (usually the guy in #4 above) pull up, and the
gas boys just sit there talking, like he was invisible.

6. I know many, many major boat dealers, especially along the Texas
coast, who refuse to take Bayliners as tradeins. Interestingly, they
all give the same reasons:
1. We don't want them on our lot. We can't have a bunch of
cheap old Bayliners sitting
there next to these "nice" boats. It just makes the whole
place look cheap.
2. Customers have trouble with them, then blame us for
"selling them a bad boat."
3. They cost too much to get sale-ready. Somebody brings in a
used Bayliner, and you have
to replace just about everything on it.

I also know a number of used boat dealers who will buy just about any
boat made, to sit on their lots for resale: EXCEPT a Bayliner. "We
just can't sell'em," they all say. "Who's gonna walk in here, walk
past all these nice boats and spend eight thousand dollars on some
beat-up, old P.O.S. Bayliner?"

7. When I go down to the Texas coast, I usually launch around the
public docks, where thousands of Trophy-class boats are docked: 18-25
foot center consoles and cuddies. Yet, I will not see ONE SINGLE
TROPHY, even though big Bayliner dealerships are nearby. I asked some
local fishing guides if any of them used Trophys, and they said,
laughing out loud, "No way. When somebody shells out $500 for a
professional fishing trip, they don't want to go out in a Bayliner."

8. Even though it's marketed as a rough-and-tough offshore, bluewater
fishing boat, Sal****er Sportsman described a Bayliner Trophy as
"excellent for sheltered or inshore waters."

Now, I fully expect Skipper to rise from the grave...

Ron M.







All the "facts" from the king of the Bayliner Bashers.

My Bayliner Conquest 3250 is now on its 25th Season. Has not sank, is not
falling apart, is as solid as a rock and runs like a top! Perhaps they made
a better boat back then, I don't know. Its always been cared for and she
just keeps on giving year after year. Thankfully I do get dock hands to
help me when I gas er' up. See for yourself at: www.1800doit.com



"RGrew176" wrote in message
...
From:

HEYYYYY, it's time to break out the old "Bayliner Observations."
Let's see... (blows off dust, coughs...)

Now, NONE of these represent my personal or subjective opinions. These
are objective, factual, empirical observations I've made over 40-plus
years of boating experience. OK?

1. I've been boating for over 40 years, and know many boat mechanics
personally. Independent mechanics, not dealership mechanics. Guys that
work on every boat made, all day, every day. Without exception, they
say Bayliners are "cheaply made."

2. I remember looking at a 21' Trophy cuddy cabin in a Bayliner
showroom. I pressed the tip of my forefinger against the side, and the
outer layer of fiberglass moved in and out about 1/4 an inch. Try this
with a good boat, like a Mako or Grady or my 1993 Robalo - thump it
with the heel of your hand; it feels like concrete slab. I'm serious:
that's not an exaggeration.

3. BOATING magazine reviewed a Bayliner runabout a few years back.
They described its construction as "flimsy."

4. EVERY time I see some dickhead thumping across the lake with his
fenders bouncing wildly around the hull, he's in a Bayliner. Why is
this? There must be a reason.

5. I live at a large recreational lake (about 30,000 acres), and know
most of the local marina owners and operators, and often take a break
and watch their customers come and go. Usually, when somebody pulls
up to the gas pumps, the gas boys jump up and help them tie off, step
onto the dock, pump their gas, etc. But many, many times I've seen
the guy in a Bayliner (usually the guy in #4 above) pull up, and the
gas boys just sit there talking, like he was invisible.

6. I know many, many major boat dealers, especially along the Texas
coast, who refuse to take Bayliners as tradeins. Interestingly, they
all give the same reasons:
1. We don't want them on our lot. We can't have a bunch of
cheap old Bayliners sitting
there next to these "nice" boats. It just makes the whole
place look cheap.
2. Customers have trouble with them, then blame us for
"selling them a bad boat."
3. They cost too much to get sale-ready. Somebody brings in a
used Bayliner, and you have
to replace just about everything on it.

I also know a number of used boat dealers who will buy just about any
boat made, to sit on their lots for resale: EXCEPT a Bayliner. "We
just can't sell'em," they all say. "Who's gonna walk in here, walk
past all these nice boats and spend eight thousand dollars on some
beat-up, old P.O.S. Bayliner?"

7. When I go down to the Texas coast, I usually launch around the
public docks, where thousands of Trophy-class boats are docked: 18-25
foot center consoles and cuddies. Yet, I will not see ONE SINGLE
TROPHY, even though big Bayliner dealerships are nearby. I asked some
local fishing guides if any of them used Trophys, and they said,
laughing out loud, "No way. When somebody shells out $500 for a
professional fishing trip, they don't want to go out in a Bayliner."

8. Even though it's marketed as a rough-and-tough offshore, bluewater
fishing boat, Sal****er Sportsman described a Bayliner Trophy as
"excellent for sheltered or inshore waters."

Now, I fully expect Skipper to rise from the grave...

Ron M.







All the "facts" from the king of the Bayliner Bashers.

"Jamie Plante" wrote in message
...
My Bayliner Conquest 3250 is now on its 25th Season. Has not sank, is not
falling apart, is as solid as a rock and runs like a top! Perhaps they
made
a better boat back then, I don't know. Its always been cared for and she
just keeps on giving year after year. Thankfully I do get dock hands to
help me when I gas er' up. See for yourself at: www.1800doit.com


I checked your website. Here's a clue as to why the boat hasn't fallen
apart:

"This motor yacht has been in fresh water since 1984."

Nobody has said that Bayliner didn't make a decent boat for inland,
freshwater use. I just wouldn't buy one if I were boating offshore in
sal****er.

Nevertheless, you've taken exceptionally good care of your boat. Good luck
with the sale.