"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


American citizens willingly curtailed many of their "rights" during
WWII, for the sake of the greater good.


You placed the word "rights" in quotation marks. One reason for using
quotation marks is to indicate that you don't believe the word indicates
something real. Is that what you believe?

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000
Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII.

When you are at war, you have to cover your bases.

Cover your bases? By interning American citizens?

They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering
the circumstances.

Dave


Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too?

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:33:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000
Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII.

When you are at war, you have to cover your bases.

Cover your bases? By interning American citizens?

They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering
the circumstances.

Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too?

Initially, there was strong sentiment in the country for the Germans
which, as you would expect, strong in the middle section of the
country. I suppose that had something to do with it. Also, they were
white, which also had something to do with it.

However, there was point right before we entered the war in which
Germans in middle America were not interred as much as spyed and
reported on. My maternal Grandparents, for instance, had a shortwave
radio taken away from them because they could have received sabotage
instructions over it. Even though they had three kids in the service,
my mother in the USCG and her two brothers in the Marine Corps, they
were still suspect.

It just wasn't internment - it was suspicion which can be just as bad.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000
Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo
rldWarII.

When you are at war, you have to cover your bases.

Cover your bases? By interning American citizens?

They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering
the circumstances.

Dave


Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too?



Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the coastal
residents.
Bill

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000
Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo
rldWarII.

When you are at war, you have to cover your bases.

Cover your bases? By interning American citizens?

They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering
the circumstances.

Dave


Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too?



Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the coastal
residents.
Bill



Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long Island.
German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:33:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000
Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII.

When you are at war, you have to cover your bases.

Cover your bases? By interning American citizens?

They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering
the circumstances.

Dave


Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too?

If I were to speculate, I'd have to say that the government didn't
feel that there was enough of a threat. Plus, I'm sure, as an issue of
practicality, it's a lot harder to prove who's a German.....


Dave

"jps" wrote in message

Bush fared best among those who said moral values were the most
important issue, and among those who said terrorism two of the top
issues.

You guys can spin this any way you want if it makes you feel better. The
"moral values" term was put into the exit polls by someone, and the left is
now seizing on it to rationalize everything.

Paint it as a victory for religious zealots if you wish, but the facts and
the reality remain clear to those who observe and think. There is no
looming theocracy, no mandated church attendance, no crackdown of thought
police. These are the rantings of the whackos.

The plain truth is that the preponderance of the American People -- ordinary
folk who work, pay their taxes, and try to raise their kids into good,
responsible citizens -- have observed the direction in which their country
has been drifting through a variety of social issues, and stood up to say
"Enough"! Enough of having norms and mores dictated to us by the North-East
"intelligentsia", Academia, and Hollywood. Enough of abortion on demand as
a simple and convenient birth control device. Enough of the idea that my 13
year-old daughter ought to be able to procure a government funded abortion
without any communication at all with us, her parents. Enough of those who
would invoke expensive and generous government support programs for those
merely without the inclination or self-control to protect themselves.
Enough of those who would prohibit a simple Christian prayer at the start of
the school day and remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance in an overwhelmingly Christian nation, all under the guise of
constitutionally required "separation", but enforce involuntary in-school
"familiarization" with the religions of other. Enough of these so-called
recording "artists" who saturate our children with lyrics about f-ing their
bitches and killing cops, and are then put forth as the real American
character and as legitimate commentators on the national social environment.
Enough of this high-blown arrogance that would have us as ignorant country
bumpkins solely on the strength of our disagreement with your
pseudo-sophisticated notions that every sort of behavior is OK, that no one
should be held accountable for anything they do. We are good people, with
plain truths and solid values. There are more of us than there are of you,
and our numbers are growing. We will no longer be dictated to by
self-impressed cousins.

This is the message of 2004. The message that the Democrat Party is trying
desperately to mask and ignore, for in it, absent compelling change, lies
their demise.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"jps" wrote in message

Bush fared best among those who said moral values were the most
important issue, and among those who said terrorism two of the top
issues.

You guys can spin this any way you want if it makes you feel better. The
"moral values" term was put into the exit polls by someone, and the left
is
now seizing on it to rationalize everything.

Paint it as a victory for religious zealots if you wish, but the facts and
the reality remain clear to those who observe and think. There is no
looming theocracy, no mandated church attendance, no crackdown of thought
police. These are the rantings of the whackos.

The plain truth is that the preponderance of the American People --
ordinary
folk who work, pay their taxes, and try to raise their kids into good,
responsible citizens -- have observed the direction in which their country
has been drifting through a variety of social issues, and stood up to say
"Enough"! Enough of having norms and mores dictated to us by the
North-East
"intelligentsia", Academia, and Hollywood. Enough of abortion on demand
as
a simple and convenient birth control device. Enough of the idea that my
13
year-old daughter ought to be able to procure a government funded abortion
without any communication at all with us, her parents. Enough of those
who
would invoke expensive and generous government support programs for those
merely without the inclination or self-control to protect themselves.
Enough of those who would prohibit a simple Christian prayer at the start
of
the school day and remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance in an overwhelmingly Christian nation, all under the guise of
constitutionally required "separation", but enforce involuntary in-school
"familiarization" with the religions of other. Enough of these so-called
recording "artists" who saturate our children with lyrics about f-ing
their
bitches and killing cops, and are then put forth as the real American
character and as legitimate commentators on the national social
environment.
Enough of this high-blown arrogance that would have us as ignorant country
bumpkins solely on the strength of our disagreement with your
pseudo-sophisticated notions that every sort of behavior is OK, that no
one
should be held accountable for anything they do. We are good people, with
plain truths and solid values. There are more of us than there are of
you,
and our numbers are growing. We will no longer be dictated to by
self-impressed cousins.

This is the message of 2004. The message that the Democrat Party is
trying
desperately to mask and ignore, for in it, absent compelling change, lies
their demise.



99.9% of what you've mentioned will never be dealt with by any president.
One will pay lip service to these things, but will do nothing. And
logically, if he *did* take the time to deal with these things, it would be
obvious to any thinking person that he was ignoring things that really cost
lives.

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:39:25 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message

Bush fared best among those who said moral values were the most
important issue, and among those who said terrorism two of the top
issues.

You guys can spin this any way you want if it makes you feel better. The
"moral values" term was put into the exit polls by someone, and the left is
now seizing on it to rationalize everything.

Paint it as a victory for religious zealots if you wish, but the facts and
the reality remain clear to those who observe and think. There is no
looming theocracy, no mandated church attendance, no crackdown of thought
police. These are the rantings of the whackos.

The plain truth is that the preponderance of the American People -- ordinary
folk who work, pay their taxes, and try to raise their kids into good,
responsible citizens -- have observed the direction in which their country
has been drifting through a variety of social issues, and stood up to say
"Enough"! Enough of having norms and mores dictated to us by the North-East
"intelligentsia", Academia, and Hollywood. Enough of abortion on demand as
a simple and convenient birth control device. Enough of the idea that my 13
year-old daughter ought to be able to procure a government funded abortion
without any communication at all with us, her parents. Enough of those who
would invoke expensive and generous government support programs for those
merely without the inclination or self-control to protect themselves.
Enough of those who would prohibit a simple Christian prayer at the start of
the school day and remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance in an overwhelmingly Christian nation, all under the guise of
constitutionally required "separation", but enforce involuntary in-school
"familiarization" with the religions of other. Enough of these so-called
recording "artists" who saturate our children with lyrics about f-ing their
bitches and killing cops, and are then put forth as the real American
character and as legitimate commentators on the national social environment.
Enough of this high-blown arrogance that would have us as ignorant country
bumpkins solely on the strength of our disagreement with your
pseudo-sophisticated notions that every sort of behavior is OK, that no one
should be held accountable for anything they do. We are good people, with
plain truths and solid values. There are more of us than there are of you,
and our numbers are growing. We will no longer be dictated to by
self-impressed cousins.

This is the message of 2004. The message that the Democrat Party is trying
desperately to mask and ignore, for in it, absent compelling change, lies
their demise.


Thanks for putting into words what so many of us feel in our hearts.



Regards
John S

Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too!

I think you've got it. I don't think they'll like it though. It's not
'off the wall' enough.

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:39:25 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message

Bush fared best among those who said moral values were the most
important issue, and among those who said terrorism two of the top
issues.

You guys can spin this any way you want if it makes you feel better. The
"moral values" term was put into the exit polls by someone, and the left is
now seizing on it to rationalize everything.

Paint it as a victory for religious zealots if you wish, but the facts and
the reality remain clear to those who observe and think. There is no
looming theocracy, no mandated church attendance, no crackdown of thought
police. These are the rantings of the whackos.

The plain truth is that the preponderance of the American People -- ordinary
folk who work, pay their taxes, and try to raise their kids into good,
responsible citizens -- have observed the direction in which their country
has been drifting through a variety of social issues, and stood up to say
"Enough"! Enough of having norms and mores dictated to us by the North-East
"intelligentsia", Academia, and Hollywood. Enough of abortion on demand as
a simple and convenient birth control device. Enough of the idea that my 13
year-old daughter ought to be able to procure a government funded abortion
without any communication at all with us, her parents. Enough of those who
would invoke expensive and generous government support programs for those
merely without the inclination or self-control to protect themselves.
Enough of those who would prohibit a simple Christian prayer at the start of
the school day and remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance in an overwhelmingly Christian nation, all under the guise of
constitutionally required "separation", but enforce involuntary in-school
"familiarization" with the religions of other. Enough of these so-called
recording "artists" who saturate our children with lyrics about f-ing their
bitches and killing cops, and are then put forth as the real American
character and as legitimate commentators on the national social environment.
Enough of this high-blown arrogance that would have us as ignorant country
bumpkins solely on the strength of our disagreement with your
pseudo-sophisticated notions that every sort of behavior is OK, that no one
should be held accountable for anything they do. We are good people, with
plain truths and solid values. There are more of us than there are of you,
and our numbers are growing. We will no longer be dictated to by
self-impressed cousins.

This is the message of 2004. The message that the Democrat Party is trying
desperately to mask and ignore, for in it, absent compelling change, lies
their demise.


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!