gorth, did you ever finish high school before your 21st birthday?

you, like box of rocks jeffies, really are too stupid for words. rational
discussion is not possible with you. Entire segments of the rational
population believe people like you should not be allowed to vote, you are so
stupid. Other segments say not to worry, for you are too stupid to find a
polling place anyway, so the problem is solved.

Me, I am part of the group that thinks people like you should be sterilized by
law before puberty or third grade, which ever occurs first, so your kind can't
keep on infecting the world.

Garth Almgren
Date: 10/4/2004 1:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


Like I said, it is it's own dead weight. Plain and simple.
If you deny that, you might as well deny that the sine of pi is 0 or
that the earth isn't flat.


dumb cluck, have you ANY idea what an anchor is?

Clearly more so than you.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

ain't it nice that now junnie is saying OSHA doesn't know what it is talking
about? junnie did say that (post below) but he is too dumb to realize it.

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 10/4/2004 2:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 10:07:38 -0700, Garth Almgren
wrote:

On 10/3/2004 7:02 PM, JAXAshby wrote:

The nice thing with chain is that the rode *itself* is dead weight. You
can use less scope with an all chain rode than with a mixed or pure
nylon rode.


bull****.

Nope, that's the plain truth. On my honor as an Eagle Scout.

what an abjectly stupid thing to post.

Let's try a simple little experiment: Find yourself a length of chain,
say about 6'.
You *do* know what chain looks like, right? (Hint: A series of links,
usually of made out of metal)

OK. Lift a couple links off the ground, and notice that it feels fairly
light.
Now, lift about half the chain off the ground. A bit heavier, isn't it?
Now, lift the whole thing off the ground. Pretty darn heavy, isn't it?


I tried the same logic with him, but it didn't work.... Something
like, pull a 100' rope tight, pretty easy, huh? ... Now try and pull a
100' 5/16 chain tight, pretty impossible, huh? Get it?


He didn't get it.... he never does and he never will, because his mind
is made up. Using laboratory grade special circumstances, it has
nothing to do with anything but shock loading caused by specious
g-forces caused by even more specious accelerations.

Jax has some fetish associated with shock absorption, and G-loading.
We have periodically witnessed this with his rantings on all chain
rodes and tethers that will jerk an unhappy sailor in half when his
sailboat is simply pooped. http://tinyurl.com/66bt8

Throw in the concept of "reasonable and prudent," a smidgen of some
partially digested high school physics, and Jax's ability to
infallibly predict the future and the result is some really strange
science.

It is a catenary, but doesn't *act* like a catenary when it doesn't
prove "the point."

It is an anchor (by definition) and is an infinitely immovable point.
(One can, with a 20,000# boat strain the rode with 40,000# of pull and
not dislodge this "anchor".)

A rode can withstand a 40,000# pull (your choice, rope or chain).

An anchor's holding capacity has nothing to do with the angle of pull
from horizontal.

A boat doesn't yaw at anchor and when it does it has nothing to do
with the ability of an anchor to hold.

Chain rode must use greater score than rope (note the catenary problem
re-emerges.. in spite of anchor manufacturer's recommendations).

....Just to name a few....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?

kearns is the fumb duck in this thread.

I really tried to have a civil discussion with you

no, you didn't. you just spewed out trival squat, insisting that because you
can't -- and in are unable -- understand something, it doesn't exist.

your uncle's boat tied to a dock forty years ago in no way defines the
universe. forty years ago, your uncle also drove with fx today's limit of
alcohol in blood, and the fact that he never happened to kill someone in no way
"proves" his drunk driving was not then and today criminal.

I'm done with you.


good. please anchor downwind of me. I'll sleep better knowing you can't drag
down on my boat.

Did you ever spend a week anchored in the Tobago Cays? Probably not.
There is nothing but open water to the East until you get to Africa. Or
Salt Whistle Bay in Mayreau, a 10' strip of sand is all that seperates
the bay from the open Atlantic. How about Union Island. Harbor is on the
East side of the island. Winds average 20 knots all the time. So you are
saying that all the sailors that enjoy sailing the Windwards are idiots
or unintelligent? You needto get outof LIS and cruise somewhere that
real sailors go. A lot of boats use all chain rode, including mine.
Never had it drag, never had another boat drag into mine.
krj

JAXAshby wrote:
I am absolutely certain, kry joycer kay, that *you* anchor in open to the winds
anchorages day after day.

the rest of the world is rather a bit more intelligence than you are, kry
joycer kay.



Date: 10/4/2004 10:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Does that mean that I am almost always sailing and anchoring in a "blow"
when I sail in the Leeward and Windard Islands where the trades normally
are 20-25 knots?
krj
JAXAshby wrote:

garth, a blow is 20 knots with waves. Under those conditions, an all-chain
rode will jerk the anchor from the bottom unless the boat owner put out a

LOT

of scope (more than a proper rode of some chain and a lot of nylon) and/or

hung

50 or 100 pounds of dead weight in the middle of the rode.

chain don't stretch, and when the winds pull the chain more or less tight,

wind

gusts can and do put HUGE loads on the anchor system, and jerking from wave
actions as put orders of magnitude more load on the system.

Like I said, NObody chains a boat to a dock or rock on shore. Why would

anyone

think they can chain a boat to a rock under the water? ans: they don't

think

so. they KNOW the anchor will drag. they are just too lazy to use

anything

but all chain in their electric windlass.



From: Garth Almgren
Date: 10/3/2004 7:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Around 10/3/2004 3:50 PM, otnmbrd wrote:



JAXAshby wrote:



a.) all chain rode only became popular on recreational boats when boat
owner
got old, fat and bought boats big enough to need need anchors over
20#, and


All chain rodes have been used and reasonably popular since long before
you started going to boat shows.



b.) all chain doesn't hold very well at all in a blow. If you doubt
that,

I do doubt it, especially since you leave "a blow" undefined. Are we
talking hurricane force?



check the anchorages during and after the next blow, see which boats
dragged --
due to an "act of god", of course -- and which did not. then check to
see how
they anchored.

My guess as to how they anchored? One word: Improperly.

Namely, not enough scope of *whatever* kind of rode.



A "blanket" statement, you obviously can't back up with experience and
show that you are unaware that there may be various causes for a boat
dragging which have little to do with the all chain rode.

I'm guessing that all this hypothetical dragging that Jax is talking
about is either due to improper technique or poor bottom, and not what
kind of rode someone chooses to use.



Whatever. For the record, my boat has always had mixed rode. Anyone
anchoring in a 14' open runabout during "a blow" would have to be nuts,
regardless of what kind of rode they're using.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

A lot of boats use all chain rode, including mine

you are stupid.

Never had it drag, never had another boat drag into mine.
krj


you are lucky. just like the drunk drivers of old who claimed driving drunk
was okay because they had never hit anything, yet.

kry joy kay, anchoring on all chain is going to bite you sooner or later. it
is patently stupid, as shown by the fact that nobody chains a boat to dock or a
rock on shore. therefore anyone and everyone who chains their boat to an
anchor clearly shows to one and all (including courts, should someone get
injured due to their neglegent actions) they fully understand and intend that
the anchor drags. people intend to drag anchor, as so many on this thread
clearly state.

Subject: Anchors are SUPPOSED to drag?
From: (JAXAshby)


350# of chain and anchor in the bow of any boat harms the sailing
capability of
that boat in the same fashion as having 350# of rail meat standing on the
bow.


More Doodles assumptions based on scanty information.

huh? 350# of anchor/chain on the bow is different -- in terms of boat
performance -- from 350# of rail meat on the bow just how??????????????


Ever stop to think that the designer may have put that 350# of chain and anchor
up there for a reason, other than just anchoring? Didn't think so.....

Shen

Ever stop to think that the designer may have put that 350# of chain and
anchor
up there for a reason, other than just anchoring? Didn't think so.....

Shen

don't let reality intrude on your thought process, shun. reality can be so
confusing to some people. ignore it.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:17:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?


Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?

Jim Hertvig has been off his feed since he sold his boat...maybe he
could build a rowboat in that triple garage of his this winter.

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:17:35 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


How is this crap in any way better than the OT political crap you complain
about Kearns?


Oh, how sweet. Jax has a champion. Did he give you his lace hankie?
--


I am not a fan of Jax nor believe most of what he posts.

I offered a simple question to you because you complain about OT posts. You
could not offer a reasonable reply so you insult me. As expected.