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On 1/12/2013 10:30 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:05:30 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:59 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:54:12 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 8:44 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 6:23 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:21 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 11, 2:27 pm, ESAD wrote: I had in-laws who tried to pull that crap on me at a family gathering in Florida. They were trying to hustle funds for a trip their church was planning to take to somewhere in Central America to proselytize. Or maybe it was South America. One or the other. Basically, they were heading into some backwoods areas in attempts to convert indigenous Catholics into Southern Baptists, and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera. "Indigenous Catholics?" And what were the indigenous before they were Catholics? "and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera." is it wrong to help people improve their health and their lives? " What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, Go in peace; keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." James 2:14-17 What were the indigenous peoples before they were catholics? They had their own culture and their own religions *before* the Europeans came along and destroyed both. Interesting quote you provided...sort of a justification for proselytizing and destroying a people and a culture. It's damned wrong to go to some backwater area and offer help to people if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours. Harry I have no idea where you get the notion of " if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours." That isn't written in the scripture, it isn't even applied. I have no idea why you feel you need to conjure up these things. Really? What do evangelical missionaries do? Answer: they preach christianity to others with the object of conversion, and many times in history those conversions were accomplished with the threat of death. Cite? http://tinyurl.com/o42at Here you go, ignorant asshole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion 'Evangelical missionaries' are not mentioned once. So from where came your bull****, ESAD? Here? http://tinyurl.com/o42at I was just talking to Tim about that... Democrats win with the question, never even caring about the answers... Well, perhaps Tim, who IS a REAL Christian will enlighten you as to why it's not right for a group to take a 10 year old girl 100's of miles from home and try to talk her into being born again without consulting her parents. He gets it, you CINO's don't seem to. |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:32:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:47:32 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 10:43 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:29:23 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 10:30 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:05:30 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:59 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:54:12 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 8:44 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 6:23 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:21 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 11, 2:27 pm, ESAD wrote: I had in-laws who tried to pull that crap on me at a family gathering in Florida. They were trying to hustle funds for a trip their church was planning to take to somewhere in Central America to proselytize. Or maybe it was South America. One or the other. Basically, they were heading into some backwoods areas in attempts to convert indigenous Catholics into Southern Baptists, and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera. "Indigenous Catholics?" And what were the indigenous before they were Catholics? "and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera." is it wrong to help people improve their health and their lives? " What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, Go in peace; keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." James 2:14-17 What were the indigenous peoples before they were catholics? They had their own culture and their own religions *before* the Europeans came along and destroyed both. Interesting quote you provided...sort of a justification for proselytizing and destroying a people and a culture. It's damned wrong to go to some backwater area and offer help to people if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours. Harry I have no idea where you get the notion of " if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours." That isn't written in the scripture, it isn't even applied. I have no idea why you feel you need to conjure up these things. Really? What do evangelical missionaries do? Answer: they preach christianity to others with the object of conversion, and many times in history those conversions were accomplished with the threat of death. Cite? http://tinyurl.com/o42at Here you go, ignorant asshole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion 'Evangelical missionaries' are not mentioned once. So from where came your bull****, ESAD? Are you channeling iLoogy? Are you unable to prove your bull****? Salmonbait There's a line or two in the piece that discusses forced conversions done by missionaries. The Baptist Church of Tripura is alleged to have supplied the NLFT with arms and financial support and to have encouraged the murder of Hindus, particularly infants, as a means to depopulate the region of all Hindus.[49] In 2009, the Assam Times reported that about fifteen armed Hmar militants, members of Manmasi National Christian Army, tried to force Hindu residents of Bhuvan Pahar, Assam to convert to Christianity.[50] A Few Christian evangelists in India have been accused forced conversion of Hindus, and some of them have been jailed for forcefully converting.[51][52] Archbishop Moras, refuting these allegation of forced conversions and the charges of conversions against the Christian missionaries, said "We do not believe in forced conversions" "It is easy to charge people with wrong allegations but difficult to stop evil powers that are working against Christians".[53] There has been plenty written about forced conversions perpetrated by christians on people of different faiths. Easy enough for even a moron like you to find, eh? If you don't want to go back to the time of the Romans, you can always check out the Inquisition. A line or two of 'allegations' does not support your statement, oh wise ESAD! Salmonbait They are facts, not allegations, idiot. Read the article, Kevin. It must be really dark where your head is, right? Salmonbait -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. |
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On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. |
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On 1/12/13 2:20 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. A brainwash might do you some good, so long as you did it at a low temp so you didn't have any more shrinkage. Might get rid of some of that smut talk you like so much. |
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On 1/12/2013 3:41 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:02 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 11:26 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) My sarcasm wasn't obvious? Just teasing John. OK. Sometimes I dont' catch on. There's an old saying about Grandma being old, that applies with me....sometimes I went to youth camps and activities also. Some were fun but the best part was just playing with other kids during free time, not the structured lessons and activities. |
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On Jan 12, 7:54*am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 8:44 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 6:23 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:21 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 11, 2:27 pm, ESAD wrote: I had in-laws who tried to pull that crap on me at a family gathering in Florida. They were trying to hustle funds for a trip their church was planning to take to somewhere in Central America to proselytize. Or maybe it was South America. One or the other. Basically, they were heading into some backwoods areas in attempts to convert indigenous Catholics into Southern Baptists, and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera. "Indigenous Catholics?" *And what were the indigenous before they were Catholics? "and, as bait, they were bringing along *church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera." is it wrong to help people improve their health and their lives? " What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? *Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. *If one of you says to them, Go in peace; keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? *In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." James 2:14-17 What were the indigenous peoples before they were catholics? They had their own culture and their own religions *before* the Europeans came along and destroyed both. Interesting quote you provided...sort of a justification for proselytizing and destroying a people and a culture. It's damned wrong to go to some backwater area and offer help to people if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours. Harry I have no idea where you get the notion of " if only they will * give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours." That isn't written in the scripture, it isn't even applied. *I have no idea why you feel you need to conjure up these things. Really? What do evangelical missionaries do? Answer: they preach Christianity to others with the object of conversion, and many times in history those conversions were accomplished with the threat of death. Yeah, a 'history of death'' by ungodly people under the guise of doing the work of Christ. But if you feel to believe so, then that is your right . But you were making a point that there was some kind of a 'bargaining' that was to happen. like medical, shelter, clothing, food, ...firewood. You give the impression that missionaries use Christianity as some kind of a tool. You either convert, or you don't get the goods. There is non of that. Again, if you feel to believe so, then that is your right . |
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On Jan 12, 8:49*am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. *As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! |
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On 1/12/2013 6:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , lid says... On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) She wanted to go, and a decent parent sometimes lets the reins out a little. As far as calling my sister an idiot, you must be a real big cowardly asshole. Hide behind usenet, call someone an idiot that isn't even part of the group. Are you sure you aren't one of those "compassionate Christians" too? um... I thought the meaning was clear, even included a winking smiley... I was teasing John. |
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