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On Jan 13, 11:05*am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

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On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote:
On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church
group. What the hell did she expect?

Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-)

Me. *As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and
gatherings. had a lot of fun too.

?;^ )

And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'.

Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around!

Really?

Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times
a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two
"barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and
barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much
tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the
coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway.

Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking..

Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting
churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by
cramming religion down their throats.

Not good!!

I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with
missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My
objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who
either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection
to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations,
except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues
again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale.

I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry.

Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you?

do you?

The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he
doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid.

Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh?

The religious houses of Jews are not churches.

Yes they are.

Church = house of God
Synagogue = house of God.

Wrong.

Uh, no, correct:

http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm

"The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is
the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study
and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.

What's in a Name?

Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are
actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell
a lot about people by the terms they use"

No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of
their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or
appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church.

It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world
have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church"
would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word
connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions..

We have a 'church building' but it isn't the 'church' To us, the
'Church' is the individual body of believers

If you thought...

On Jan 13, 12:51*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her
daughter to go on a weekend
trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?"

There's that binary thinking again. *There's a difference between
presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense
coercion involving threats. *Baptists tend toward the latter from my
limited experience.

So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened,
pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it..

Read this slowly.

I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth
leader in rural Michigan. *Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn
in Hell for eternity. *Do it now.

It does happen. *It's not a situation I would place a young child in
without parental supervision.

So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That
really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the
throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about
something that doesn't happen...

http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm

http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez

http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz

http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4

http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm

I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so
far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many
churches!!!

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind *that 1+1= 2

So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down
*your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now???

Nobody ever shoved religion down my throat.

If you thought...

On 1/13/13 3:12 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 12:51 pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her
daughter to go on a weekend
trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?"

There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between
presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense
coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my
limited experience.

So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened,
pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it..

Read this slowly.

I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth
leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn
in Hell for eternity. Do it now.

It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in
without parental supervision.

So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That
really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the
throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about
something that doesn't happen...

http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm

http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez

http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz

http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4

http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm

I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so
far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many
churches!!!

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2

So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down
*your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now???

Nobody ever shoved religion down my throat.

If you were a young woman in need of an abortion in certain states in
this country, you might feel differently.

If you thought...

On 1/13/2013 3:12 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 12:51 pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her
daughter to go on a weekend
trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?"

There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between
presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense
coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my
limited experience.

So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened,
pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it..

Read this slowly.

I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth
leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn
in Hell for eternity. Do it now.

It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in
without parental supervision.

So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That
really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the
throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about
something that doesn't happen...

http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm

http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez

http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz

http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4

http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm

I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so
far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many
churches!!!

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2

So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down
*your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now???

Nobody ever shoved religion down my throat.

I was directing that to the guy who put up all the weird links to things
that never happened to him.... He is creating a false narrative and
having a discussion about something he said was first person, but in
reality is only third person, at best...

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On 1/13/2013 10:08 AM, Tim wrote:

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2

There's a distinction between math and evidence based science and
unknowable supernatural beliefs taken on faith.

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On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote:

Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups...

Except the ones they run.

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On Jan 13, 2:52*pm, thumper wrote:
On 1/13/2013 10:08 AM, Tim wrote:

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind *that 1+1= 2

There's a distinction between math and evidence based science and
unknowable supernatural beliefs taken on faith.

Well, I have faith in Jesus Christ as my savior and I also believe
2+2= 4.

One is proven to be solid evidence and the other is an
indoctrination?

hmmm.

?;^ )

If you thought...

On 1/13/13 5:18 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 2:52 pm, thumper wrote:
On 1/13/2013 10:08 AM, Tim wrote:

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2

There's a distinction between math and evidence based science and
unknowable supernatural beliefs taken on faith.

Well, I have faith in Jesus Christ as my savior and I also believe
2+2= 4.

One is proven to be solid evidence and the other is an
indoctrination?

hmmm.

?;^ )

I think the math you quoted is based upon solid evidence. Your faith is
your faith and in your case, it surely is real enough for you, but
that's all there really is in that regard...faith.