If you thought...
 

On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote:
On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church
group. What the hell did she expect?

Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-)

Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and
gatherings. had a lot of fun too.

?;^ )

And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'.

Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around!

Really?

Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times
a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two
"barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and
barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much
tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the
coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway.

Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking.

Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting
churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by
cramming religion down their throats.

Not good!!

I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with
missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My
objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who
either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection
to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations,
except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues
again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale.

I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry.

Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you?

do you?


The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he
doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid.

Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh?


The religious houses of Jews are not churches.

Yes they are.

Church = house of God
Synagogue = house of God.


Wrong.

Uh, no, correct:

http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm

"The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is
the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study
and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.

What's in a Name?

Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are
actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell
a lot about people by the terms they use"



No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of
their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or
appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church.

It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world
have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church"
would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word
connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions.

If you thought...
 

On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote:
On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not
have allowed your niece to go with a church
group. What the hell did she expect?

Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group
with a child? ;-)

Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps
and
gatherings. had a lot of fun too.

?;^ )

And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting
you go and get 'brainwashed'.

Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best
eatin' around!

Really?

Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food
a few times
a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we
bought two
"barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued
chicken and
barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much
tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar,
and the
coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway.

Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking.

Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're
supporting
churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by
cramming religion down their throats.

Not good!!

I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with
missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I
don't. My
objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on
those who
either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no
objection
to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious
organizations,
except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their
barbecues
again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale.

I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry.

Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you?

do you?


The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he
doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid.

Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh?


The religious houses of Jews are not churches.

Yes they are.

Church = house of God
Synagogue = house of God.


Wrong.

Uh, no, correct:

http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm

"The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is
the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study
and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.

What's in a Name?

Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are
actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell
a lot about people by the terms they use"



No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of
their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or
appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church.

It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world
have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church"
would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word
connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions.

Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship,
Mr. blowhard asshole?

If you thought...
 

In article om,
says...

On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote:
On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not
have allowed your niece to go with a church
group. What the hell did she expect?

Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group
with a child? ;-)

Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps
and
gatherings. had a lot of fun too.

?;^ )

And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting
you go and get 'brainwashed'.

Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best
eatin' around!

Really?

Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food
a few times
a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we
bought two
"barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued
chicken and
barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much
tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar,
and the
coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway.

Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking.

Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're
supporting
churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by
cramming religion down their throats.

Not good!!

I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with
missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I
don't. My
objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on
those who
either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no
objection
to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious
organizations,
except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their
barbecues
again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale.

I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry.

Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you?

do you?


The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he
doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid.

Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh?


The religious houses of Jews are not churches.

Yes they are.

Church = house of God
Synagogue = house of God.


Wrong.

Uh, no, correct:

http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm

"The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is
the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study
and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.

What's in a Name?

Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are
actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell
a lot about people by the terms they use"



No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of
their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or
appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church.

It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world
have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church"
would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word
connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions.

Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship,
Mr. blowhard asshole?

OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish
religion as Harry does!!!

If you thought...
 

On 1/13/13 12:26 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote:
On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not
have allowed your niece to go with a church
group. What the hell did she expect?

Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group
with a child? ;-)

Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps
and
gatherings. had a lot of fun too.

?;^ )

And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting
you go and get 'brainwashed'.

Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best
eatin' around!

Really?

Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food
a few times
a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we
bought two
"barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued
chicken and
barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much
tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar,
and the
coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway.

Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking.

Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're
supporting
churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by
cramming religion down their throats.

Not good!!

I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with
missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I
don't. My
objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on
those who
either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no
objection
to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious
organizations,
except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their
barbecues
again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale.

I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry.

Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you?

do you?


The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he
doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid.

Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh?


The religious houses of Jews are not churches.

Yes they are.

Church = house of God
Synagogue = house of God.


Wrong.

Uh, no, correct:

http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm

"The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is
the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study
and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.

What's in a Name?

Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are
actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell
a lot about people by the terms they use"



No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of
their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or
appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church.

It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world
have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church"
would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word
connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions.

Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship,
Mr. blowhard asshole?

OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish
religion as Harry does!!!


I know enough to know that Jews don't call their houses of worship
churches. The etymology of the word "church" clearly shows its
connection to 4th century Germanic peoples, long before christianity was
forced upon them.

If you thought...
 

On Jan 13, 9:31*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...











On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her
daughter to go on a weekend
trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?"

There's that binary thinking again. *There's a difference between
presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense
coercion involving threats. *Baptists tend toward the latter from my
limited experience.

So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened,
pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it..

Read this slowly.

I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth
leader in rural Michigan. *Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn
in Hell for eternity. *Do it now.

It does happen. *It's not a situation I would place a young child in
without parental supervision.

So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That
really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the
throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about
something that doesn't happen...

http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm

http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez

http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz

http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4

http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm

I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so
far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many
churches!!!

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2

If you thought...
 

On 1/13/2013 12:49 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 12:26 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote:
On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not
have allowed your niece to go with a church
group. What the hell did she expect?

Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group
with a child? ;-)

Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps
and
gatherings. had a lot of fun too.

?;^ )

And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting
you go and get 'brainwashed'.

Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best
eatin' around!

Really?

Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food
a few times
a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we
bought two
"barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued
chicken and
barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and
pretty much
tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar,
and the
coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway.

Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad
cooking.

Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're
supporting
churches who support missionaries Who want to convert
others by
cramming religion down their throats.

Not good!!

I don't believe the church in question has anything to do
with
missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I
don't. My
objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on
those who
either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no
objection
to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious
organizations,
except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their
barbecues
again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale.

I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries,
Harry.

Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you?

do you?


The important question is does he know any that don't, cause
if he
doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is
invalid.

Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh?


The religious houses of Jews are not churches.

Yes they are.

Church = house of God
Synagogue = house of God.


Wrong.

Uh, no, correct:

http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm

"The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less.
It is
the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study
and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.

What's in a Name?

Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are
actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can
tell
a lot about people by the terms they use"



No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of
their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is
proper or
appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church.

It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world
have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church"
would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word
connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of
religions.

Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship,
Mr. blowhard asshole?

OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish
religion as Harry does!!!


I know enough to know that Jews don't call their houses of worship
churches. The etymology of the word "church" clearly shows its
connection to 4th century Germanic peoples, long before christianity was
forced upon them.

What's the etymology of the word etymology?

If you thought...
 

Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...











On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her
daughter to go on a weekend
trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?"

There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between
presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense
coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my
limited experience.

So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened,
pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it..

Read this slowly.

I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth
leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn
in Hell for eternity. Do it now.

It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in
without parental supervision.

So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That
really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the
throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about
something that doesn't happen...

http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm

http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez

http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz

http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4

http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm

I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so
far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many
churches!!!

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2

And man walked the earth with dinosaurs.

If you thought...
 

In article 7c02d4e2-0ca2-4f87-a67b-fbf94f18c684
@w3g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 13, 9:31*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...











On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her
daughter to go on a weekend
trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?"

There's that binary thinking again. *There's a difference between
presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense
coercion involving threats. *Baptists tend toward the latter from my
limited experience.

So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened,
pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it..

Read this slowly.

I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth
leader in rural Michigan. *Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn
in Hell for eternity. *Do it now.

It does happen. *It's not a situation I would place a young child in
without parental supervision.

So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That
really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the
throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about
something that doesn't happen...

http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm

http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez

http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz

http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4

http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm

I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so
far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many
churches!!!

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2

Yes, but not according to Scott, he says it isn't happening!!

If you thought...
 

In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 12:26 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote:









On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote:

On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote:
On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not
have allowed your niece to go with a church
group. What the hell did she expect?

Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group
with a child? ;-)

Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps
and
gatherings. had a lot of fun too.

?;^ )

And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting
you go and get 'brainwashed'.

Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best
eatin' around!

Really?

Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food
a few times
a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we
bought two
"barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued
chicken and
barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much
tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar,
and the
coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway.

Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking.

Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're
supporting
churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by
cramming religion down their throats.

Not good!!

I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with
missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I
don't. My
objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on
those who
either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no
objection
to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious
organizations,
except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their
barbecues
again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale.

I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry.

Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you?

do you?


The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he
doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid.

Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh?


The religious houses of Jews are not churches.

Yes they are.

Church = house of God
Synagogue = house of God.


Wrong.

Uh, no, correct:

http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm

"The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is
the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study
and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center.

What's in a Name?

Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are
actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell
a lot about people by the terms they use"



No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of
their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or
appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church.

It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world
have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church"
would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word
connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions.

Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship,
Mr. blowhard asshole?

OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish
religion as Harry does!!!


I know enough to know that Jews don't call their houses of worship
churches. The etymology of the word "church" clearly shows its
connection to 4th century Germanic peoples, long before christianity was
forced upon them.

Like I said, of COURSE you know more than the Jews themselves! At least
you think you do. You must be quite amazing in your own mind.

If you thought...
 

On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...











On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her
daughter to go on a weekend
trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?"

There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between
presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense
coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my
limited experience.

So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened,
pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it..

Read this slowly.

I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth
leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn
in Hell for eternity. Do it now.

It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in
without parental supervision.

So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That
really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the
throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about
something that doesn't happen...

http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm

http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez

http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz

http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4

http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm

I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so
far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many
churches!!!

Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of
thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ?

Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2


So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down
*your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now???