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On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 12:31*am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 07:48:46 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 2:26 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... ....nor do they get tickets for speeding in 'school zones'! (I noticed ESAD perked right up at your comment.) -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:54:12 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 1/12/13 8:44 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 6:23 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:21 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 11, 2:27 pm, ESAD wrote: I had in-laws who tried to pull that crap on me at a family gathering in Florida. They were trying to hustle funds for a trip their church was planning to take to somewhere in Central America to proselytize. Or maybe it was South America. One or the other. Basically, they were heading into some backwoods areas in attempts to convert indigenous Catholics into Southern Baptists, and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera. "Indigenous Catholics?" And what were the indigenous before they were Catholics? "and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera." is it wrong to help people improve their health and their lives? " What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, Go in peace; keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." James 2:14-17 What were the indigenous peoples before they were catholics? They had their own culture and their own religions *before* the Europeans came along and destroyed both. Interesting quote you provided...sort of a justification for proselytizing and destroying a people and a culture. It's damned wrong to go to some backwater area and offer help to people if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours. Harry I have no idea where you get the notion of " if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours." That isn't written in the scripture, it isn't even applied. I have no idea why you feel you need to conjure up these things. Really? What do evangelical missionaries do? Answer: they preach christianity to others with the object of conversion, and many times in history those conversions were accomplished with the threat of death. Cite? http://tinyurl.com/o42at -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On 1/12/2013 9:45 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 20:54:24 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 11:21 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:45:58 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 7:25 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I'm still wondering how the Christians 'force' their beliefs on you folks. I never said they did, at least not since I was a child and that didn't take very well. It never made sense. I have a vivid memory as a young child of a Sunday school teacher describing Noah's Arc and the flood and how in heaven the lion will lie with the lamb, etc. I remember looking around at the other kids and thinking wow, they believe these stories, I better just be quiet. They do routinely come to my front door ignoring the no soliciting sign and try to convince me that I need to dedicate my life to Jesus to avoid an eternity of suffering, join their church, and donate to their cause. Perhaps they mean well but I think they're full of **** and annoying. I've never had a Muslim, Jew, or atheist solicit like that. Maybe if I stop being polite to them they'd leave me alone. I'm sure one of y'all said something about Christians 'forcing' their beliefs on you. I've had many interactions with Christians, but have never been 'forced' to believe any certain way. Not sure which of you got 'forced', 'cause y'all sound so much alike anyway. I've also had various folk come to my door with religious intent of one sort or the other. I don't listen as long as you apparently do, so I don't know about their trying to convince me of all those things you mention. I've found a polite, "Not interested, thanks," along with shutting the door solves the problem. Maybe, thumper, you're right. Open the door with a .45 in your hand, say, "Get the **** off my porch," and slam the door in their face. After all, you do have the sign, right? It's nice, also, that you were so much smarter than all the kids in your Sunday school class. You should simply have told your parents that you didn't believe all the **** they believed. Then you could have grown up and been even more like ESAD! John, I seldom agree with you but have always given you the benefit of the doubt and tried to speak at least civilly if not with actual earned respect, as I might to a door-to-door solicitor. I've even tried to help you a time or two. That's over... ***** you*, really! You're well aware I didn't say they were wrong and I was right. I said it didn't make sense to me so I was quiet about it. You know, listen and perhaps learn something. And don't make presumptions about my parents, again you're simply wrong... arrogant and wrong. I've been wrong before! I *assumed* your parents put you in the Sunday school class for a reason pertaining to religion. I must have been mistaken, unless I presumed correctly. If the latter is correct, then I don't understand what ****ed you off. I always wonder if these young enlightened kids told their parents to not give them Christmas presents since of course they had such a progressive view of character... LOL! |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:29:38 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 1/11/13 3:53 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:05:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , lid says... On 1/11/2013 7:25 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I'm still wondering how the Christians 'force' their beliefs on you folks. I never said they did, at least not since I was a child and that didn't take very well. It never made sense. I have a vivid memory as a young child of a Sunday school teacher describing Noah's Arc and the flood and how in heaven the lion will lie with the lamb, etc. I remember looking around at the other kids and thinking wow, they believe these stories, I better just be quiet. They do routinely come to my front door ignoring the no soliciting sign and try to convince me that I need to dedicate my life to Jesus to avoid an eternity of suffering, join their church, and donate to their cause. Perhaps they mean well but I think they're full of **** and annoying. I've never had a Muslim, Jew, or atheist solicit like that. Maybe if I stop being polite to them they'd leave me alone. My sister's daughter went on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group. When they got her away from home, where she was a vulnerable 10 year old, they tried to brainwash her into being "born again". She's smart and takes such things seriously, she wouldn't do it, saying that she had to talk to her mom and dad about it. That scared her and she's not stepped foot in a church since. If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? **** you, you condescending piece of ****. My sister is FAR brighter than you, your ugly wife or your emaciated grandkids. Are you saying that Christians can't be trusted with kids? Mrs. John Herring is a very nice and gracious lady. There's no reason to go after her. You're way over the line. Oh, but it's okay for the compassionate Christian asshole Herring to go after my sister?? You're the one who posted the bad **** about your sister. But, if you consider my remarks offensive to your sister, Kevin, then I apologize for the term 'more than a dunce'. I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On 1/12/13 9:59 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:54:12 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 8:44 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 6:23 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:21 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 11, 2:27 pm, ESAD wrote: I had in-laws who tried to pull that crap on me at a family gathering in Florida. They were trying to hustle funds for a trip their church was planning to take to somewhere in Central America to proselytize. Or maybe it was South America. One or the other. Basically, they were heading into some backwoods areas in attempts to convert indigenous Catholics into Southern Baptists, and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera. "Indigenous Catholics?" And what were the indigenous before they were Catholics? "and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera." is it wrong to help people improve their health and their lives? " What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, Go in peace; keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." James 2:14-17 What were the indigenous peoples before they were catholics? They had their own culture and their own religions *before* the Europeans came along and destroyed both. Interesting quote you provided...sort of a justification for proselytizing and destroying a people and a culture. It's damned wrong to go to some backwater area and offer help to people if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours. Harry I have no idea where you get the notion of " if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours." That isn't written in the scripture, it isn't even applied. I have no idea why you feel you need to conjure up these things. Really? What do evangelical missionaries do? Answer: they preach christianity to others with the object of conversion, and many times in history those conversions were accomplished with the threat of death. Cite? http://tinyurl.com/o42at Here you go, ignorant asshole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion |
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On 1/12/2013 9:56 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
if your kid was in her shoes and didn't have the guts to say, or the intelligence to know, that she needed to talk to her parents about such life changing things, that shows what a ****ty parent you are. Now go teach your kid to smoke, it's her right. If she gets cancer, it's okay, because you have no money the taxpayers will take care of the bill, and she can even keep smoking! Wow, what a loon... At least I taught my kid one thing... ATGATT.. Which is ALL THE GEAR, ALL THE TIME. It's right on the tank of the bike:) How could it have been a 'life changing' thing? Is some water on the head, or immersion in a creek, a life changing event for one who has no concept of religion? |
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