Dan, he's a troll... I'm sure that this statement will incite a number
of
replies of course. He's not a "Capt." either, btw.



Dan, Jonathan Ganz is a troll from ASA who, along with several others,
followed me here from there to try to prevent any sailing discussion.
Watch and see who posts what.

Cheers,


Robert
35s5
NY

Dan, he's a troll...

Dan, (the other guy) is a troll...

In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from
just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a
troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without. A
lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As
far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone
taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning. I've
learned something from people at both ends of the experience spectrum
and like to think that a few people have benefited from what I've had to
say from time to time.

Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here
that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted. In fact
there are enough contrary people here that good advise is often
challenged. The difference is in whether or not it stands up to the
challenge and is generally accepted by the group as sound.

Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been
out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty
poor way to debate an issue in my opinion.

Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a
good offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just
as soon you took it offline. Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin).

I concur
"Dan Best" wrote in message
...
Dan, he's a troll...

Dan, (the other guy) is a troll...

In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from just
about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a troll"
bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without. A lot of it
seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As far as I'm
concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone taught the
Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning. I've learned something
from people at both ends of the experience spectrum and like to think that
a few people have benefited from what I've had to say from time to time.

Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here
that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted. In fact there
are enough contrary people here that good advise is often challenged. The
difference is in whether or not it stands up to the challenge and is
generally accepted by the group as sound.

Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never been
out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty poor
way to debate an issue in my opinion.

Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a good
offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just as soon
you took it offline. Better yet, trade land addresses so you can get
together and really duke it out. Let me know when and where and I'll even
sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds with you (grin).

"Dan Best" wrote in message
...

. Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when
and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds
with you (grin).


been there, done that, the so called ''Capt'' Rob chickened
out and never showed up.

SBV

So now You're gonna act like a child in here and be a troll just like him
with no consideration for anybody else?
"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Dan Best" wrote in message
...

. Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when
and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds
with you (grin).


been there, done that, the so called ''Capt'' Rob chickened
out and never showed up.

SBV

Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never
been
out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty
poor way to debate an issue in my opinion.



Dan, that's pretty much the MO of a lot of sailors online. The funny
thing is that in their world, the pond sailor is laughed at by the lake
sailor, the lake sailor is looked down on by the coastal sailor and the
blue water sailor laughs at everyone. Well, that's "their" world. I
know folks who sail on lakes and ya know, they seem to enjoy their
boats just fine.

Now, I'll stay on topic after this and leave it be. I was the driving
force (such as it was) on ASA by posting silly sailing stuff. Sometimes
great sailing discussion came out of it. But I left ASA. Enough is
enough. As you can see these folks will leech onto any threat I start
or participate in. They can't help it. Look at ASA. Virtually no
sailing chat since I left.
And that's a fact even poor Scotty would have to admit to.

Robert
35s5
NY

"Broker Bob" wrote in message
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Dan, that's pretty much the MO of a lot of sailors online.
The funny
thing is that in their world, the pond sailor is laughed
at by the lake
sailor, the lake sailor is looked down on by the coastal
sailor and the
blue water sailor laughs at everyone. Well, that's "their"
world. I
know folks who sail on lakes and ya know, they seem to
enjoy their
boats just fine.


Dan, there was one big jerk on ASA who constantly put down
other peoples boats.
You want to guess who that was?
Hint: he's not a *real* Capt.



SBV

well said Dan... more comments

Dan Best wrote:
In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid comments from
just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a troll/no he's a
troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon do without.

Agreed. People who don't have anything better to do can go
over to rec.boats and talk politics.


A
lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's credentials. As
far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care whether someone
taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just beginning.

Agreed, with the caveat that a rank novice who: 1- tries to
sell goods or services while pretending to give advice and
2- claims credentials he doesn't have... is a person to
avoid. "Capt Rob" or Bobsprit fits both of those to a T.



Good advice is good advice and there are enough people hanging out here
that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be accepted.

Yes but sometimes a lot of people jump on advice that goes
against "conventional wisdom" even when it's actually good
and based on real-world experiences. YMMV



Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a hunter 34 is a
good offshore boat.

A couple of folks did but mostly generic to Hunters, not
specifically directed at the H-34. Note that Frank M. who
had a pretty much unparalleled (AFAIK) experience with a
Hunter 34 and said very little against the boat.


If you wanna bash each other personally, I'd just
as soon you took it offline.

I would too.

Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out.

A couple of the bashers have been known to post other
people's addresses (incorrectly, in at least one case) and
personal info, but are apparently too cowardly to actually
meet in person.

Regards
Doug King

DSK wrote:
....snip...
A couple of folks did but mostly generic to Hunters, not
specifically directed at the H-34. Note that Frank M. who
had a pretty much unparalleled (AFAIK) experience with a
Hunter 34 and said very little against the boat.

Hi, Doug,

How ya doing?

I could certainly go on at length about the weakensses of the H34; but
anyone who's owned any boat for any length of time could do that for
that particular marque or model.

It is a price-point boat. There are a number of caveats for a potential
buyer.

There is also the fact that you get a lot of bang for the buck. And my
kids preferred the interior to the interior of the C&C 39 we looked at,
which I preferred overall; but when you're living aboard, liveability
hasta count for something.

And how many days out of the year do any of us spend offshore,
especially in harsh conditions? I've crossed the Atlantic and raced in
the Pacific. The worst conditions I ever faced were on this "cheap,"
"crappy" Hunter. She brought us through that and survived Katrina,
Rita, and Wilma.

What else can you ask of a boat?

Frank

"What else can you ask of a boat?

I am seriously looking a the new Hunter 33.
Can you tell a little about the Hunter 34 rudder design.

"Frank" wrote in message
ups.com...
DSK wrote:
...snip...
A couple of folks did but mostly generic to Hunters, not
specifically directed at the H-34. Note that Frank M. who
had a pretty much unparalleled (AFAIK) experience with a
Hunter 34 and said very little against the boat.

Hi, Doug,

How ya doing?

I could certainly go on at length about the weakensses of the H34; but
anyone who's owned any boat for any length of time could do that for
that particular marque or model.

It is a price-point boat. There are a number of caveats for a potential
buyer.

There is also the fact that you get a lot of bang for the buck. And my
kids preferred the interior to the interior of the C&C 39 we looked at,
which I preferred overall; but when you're living aboard, liveability
hasta count for something.

And how many days out of the year do any of us spend offshore,
especially in harsh conditions? I've crossed the Atlantic and raced in
the Pacific. The worst conditions I ever faced were on this "cheap,"
"crappy" Hunter. She brought us through that and survived Katrina,
Rita, and Wilma.

What else can you ask of a boat?

Frank