"Jeff" wrote in message
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As it turns out, my final decision to buy the PDQ was when
sailing one
in nice breeze (16+ kts) and passing a Hunter 34 as we got
hit by a
puff.

Was that during a test sail? Did they charge you for it?
How much?


Scotty

"Dan Best" wrote in message
...

. Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when
and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds
with you (grin).


been there, done that, the so called ''Capt'' Rob chickened
out and never showed up.

SBV

So now You're gonna act like a child in here and be a troll just like him
with no consideration for anybody else?
"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Dan Best" wrote in message
...

. Better yet, trade land addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know when
and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the proceeds
with you (grin).


been there, done that, the so called ''Capt'' Rob chickened
out and never showed up.

SBV

Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because he's never
been
out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license is a pretty
poor way to debate an issue in my opinion.



Dan, that's pretty much the MO of a lot of sailors online. The funny
thing is that in their world, the pond sailor is laughed at by the lake
sailor, the lake sailor is looked down on by the coastal sailor and the
blue water sailor laughs at everyone. Well, that's "their" world. I
know folks who sail on lakes and ya know, they seem to enjoy their
boats just fine.

Now, I'll stay on topic after this and leave it be. I was the driving
force (such as it was) on ASA by posting silly sailing stuff. Sometimes
great sailing discussion came out of it. But I left ASA. Enough is
enough. As you can see these folks will leech onto any threat I start
or participate in. They can't help it. Look at ASA. Virtually no
sailing chat since I left.
And that's a fact even poor Scotty would have to admit to.

Robert
35s5
NY

"Broker Bob" wrote in message
oups.com..
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Dan, that's pretty much the MO of a lot of sailors online.
The funny
thing is that in their world, the pond sailor is laughed
at by the lake
sailor, the lake sailor is looked down on by the coastal
sailor and the
blue water sailor laughs at everyone. Well, that's "their"
world. I
know folks who sail on lakes and ya know, they seem to
enjoy their
boats just fine.


Dan, there was one big jerk on ASA who constantly put down
other peoples boats.
You want to guess who that was?
Hint: he's not a *real* Capt.



SBV

Thanks for your feedback. I will use it in the very near future.

"I hope he gets his boat back.'

At first we tough he got rescued by a container ship. At supper it was
confirmed that the US Coast Guard did the rescue close to Bermuda.

The feedback we got at our club is that the rudder became non operational at
the high of the big storm.

He and his crew are presently resting in Bermuda.

We do not know where his boat is at this time. Surprisingly there are always
people listening on the radio during a rescue and May Day. Either the boat
is still floating freely or some towing companies have their eyes on it.
Time will tell.

A Canadian Navy frigate is presently on its way to rescue another Canadian
Sailboat at about 650 miles south of Yarmouth Nova Scotia. It is reported
that the winds are very strong and the sea rough enough for the Frigate to
use storm tactics and to proceed with caution. One of the tactics used is to
point into the wind with the engine geared at the proper speed until the
worst is over.

I'll be watching the news tonight!

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to explain the process.
My comments are as follows;

2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL.

This needs to be carefully worded. Brokers usually hand you a standardized
form, which is usually slanted in their (and the sellers) favor. The
phrase "subject to survey & sea trial" is commonly used and it does NOT
mean that the boat's survey and sea trial must be satisfactory to YOU the
buyer.

Don't be afraid to take the standardized contract and use it as the basis
to write up a contract that satisfies you.


That means that I will have to make a deposit of about 10%?

Depends. 10% used to be a standard but nowadays everything is on a credit
card. It needs to be a large enough amount for the broker to take you
seriously. You also need to find out what he is going to do with the check
(deposit it in a business account, a NOW account, lock it in a bottom
drawer, or whatever).


The probability of buying a sailboat on the first look around is possible
but remote.

Agreed. If you know a particular type of boat you want, then you can focus
on what it's known issues are, look for problems common to that type, and
have a comparison to sisterships on the market at the same time. If you're
just hunting in general, it's harder.


3) A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers.
Once I buy the boat I will be the one handling the sailboat, setting
sails, trimming,docking, maintaining it and so on.
I am not a maverick but what does a licensed captain have that I do not
already have?

Insurance, and the permission of the seller (he does own the boat, after
all). It's not all bad, a licensed captain usually has enough experience
that he will be worth listening as he puts the boat thru it's paces.

OTOH it is well within your rights to say "If I don't get to try it, I'm
not going to buy it." The seller shouldn't refuse to let you work the boat
thru normal evolutins that have no potential harm impending (making sure
the reefing gear works, for example). But you can see why he might be
nervous to let you dock the boat.


I have never turned down good advises and suggestions.
This morning I have a mixed feeling about surveyors. I just learned that
one of my friend lost his rudder on his way to Bermuda and had to be
rescued by a container ship. I hope to get more details on that one.


I hope he gets his boat back.

DSK

charlie morgan is another piece of ****, white trash, scum
sucking troll.


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:43:27 -0800, Dan Best
wrote:

Dan, he's a troll...

Dan, (the other guy) is a troll...

In the couple of weeks I've been back, I've seen valid
comments from
just about everybody as well as some irritating "he's a
troll/no he's a
troll" bickering. That, quite frankly, I'd just as soon
do without. A
lot of it seems hang on the questioning of someone's
credentials. As
far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. I don't care
whether someone
taught the Pardeys everything they know or is just
beginning. I've
learned something from people at both ends of the
experience spectrum
and like to think that a few people have benefited from
what I've had to
say from time to time.

Good advice is good advice and there are enough people
hanging out here
that bad advice will be challenged and fail to be
accepted. In fact
there are enough contrary people here that good advise is
often
challenged. The difference is in whether or not it
stands up to the
challenge and is generally accepted by the group as
sound.

Claiming that someone can't have a valid opinion because
he's never been
out of sight of land or doesn't have a captain's license
is a pretty
poor way to debate an issue in my opinion.

Tell the original poster why you think (don't think) a
hunter 34 is a
good offshore boat. If you wanna bash each other
personally, I'd just
as soon you took it offline. Better yet, trade land
addresses so you
can get together and really duke it out. Let me know
when and where and
I'll even sell tickets to the event and split the
proceeds with you (grin).

Well said, Dan.

CWM

Hi, Charlie, and Dan,

Charlie Morgan wrote:
Porta-bote!

I see you changed out the oarlocks. Good move.

CWM

See my gallery for more on that:
http://justpickone.org/skip/gallery/..._Modifications
- where I added sculling rowlocks for use with my 10' sculling oars.
See the archives for discussion, but they work quite nicely under the
circumstances.

Dan wrote about boarding from the water:

Dan, please share your technique for re-entry on snorkeling, as I'd
sure love to be able to use ours as our snorkeling vehicle, too, and
not just the sports car of the dinks.

Do you carry yours assembled, or, if not, how do you deal with limited
flat space for assembly - and where do you stow it and the
seats/transom? How's the black marking from the tubes been?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip, getting much closer to sea trials (see separate post)

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clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you
are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as
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as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought,
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Dan, he's a troll... I'm sure that this statement will incite a number
of
replies of course. He's not a "Capt." either, btw.



Dan, Jonathan Ganz is a troll from ASA who, along with several others,
followed me here from there to try to prevent any sailing discussion.
Watch and see who posts what.

Bobby is a troll. His sailing experience is minimal and his offshore
experience nonexistent. His technical & mechanical skills would be
derisory provided you were feeling generous and wanted to compliment
him.

And before he posts his std reply to criticism - I've been on r.b.c
longer than a.s.a, and other groups like rec.crafts.metalworking for
over 10 years.

Back to the orig qestion - I think Shaun is looking for confirmation
because it appears he's already decided to buy the Hunter.

What the hell,Shaun. Pick the weather, you can coast-hop north without
probs in anything. The tidal currents north of Broome mean that almost
any sailboat is gonna have probs so how big an engine do you have and
what's the speed over ground fighting an 8 knot tidal current? From
Darwin it's an easy run west to Indonesia, Christmas Island, Cocos
group or over to the Chagos. Coming home is where I'd be a bit
concerned - the westerlies may not treat that tall rig & relatively
lightweight hull construction all that kindly, but what the hell - if
that's what you want, do it.

PDW - who lives south of 42 S

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:37:38 GMT, wrote:

A Canadian Navy frigate is presently on its way to rescue another Canadian
Sailboat at about 650 miles south of Yarmouth Nova Scotia. It is reported
that the winds are very strong and the sea rough enough for the Frigate to
use storm tactics and to proceed with caution.

This is a really lousy time of year to be on the North Atlantic. I
can't understand why people do it. Taking the Chesapeake and ICW to
Beaufort, NC is a much safer route south, but you still need a decent
weather window to leave from there.