Daysailing from City Island does not make you an expert on offshore
cruising in Western Australia.



This is not ASA, Jeff. Let us all know how your PDQ 36 does in Western
Australia.



Robert
35s5
NY

yes it has 2, 1 thru the deck and 1 thru the hull with a "Y" valve
inbetween.
"Larry" wrote in message
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"Chi Chi" wrote in
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what year hunter was this? I just redid my holding tank and installed
all new plumbing to included a new thru hull and on my 1981 hunter 37
cutter the hull for the holding tank pump out was at least 3/4 of an
inch thick if not more. Previous owners have cruised with this boat
all over to include the carribean, mexico, hawaii.
Now I admit I know nothing about nothing when it comes to boats but to
my uneducated eye it looked pretty solid and thick enough for my
comfort.


80-something.

You put the pumpout through the hull, not the deck?

Larry
--
Halloween candy left over.....
Is there a downside?

Thanks for taking the time to explain the process.
My comments are as follows;

2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL.
That means that I will have to make a deposit of about 10%?
The probability of buying a sailboat on the first look around is possible
but remote.
3) A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers.
Once I buy the boat I will be the one handling the sailboat, setting sails,
trimming,docking, maintaining it and so on.
I am not a maverick but what does a licensed captain have that I do not
already have? I have never turned down good advises and suggestions.
This morning I have a mixed feeling about surveyors. I just learned that
one of my friend lost his rudder on his way to Bermuda and had to be rescued
by a container ship. I hope to get more details on that one.




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

Each time, before the trial the
broker insisted on having a deposit to show my good intend.
I soon learned that the Sea Trial approach was a broker's tactic to
secure a
deposit.


I have sold quite a few boats and co-brokered some others. This is how
it generally works.

1) Look over the boat and decide if she's for you.
2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL
3) Give a deposit. It costs money to do a sea trial. Often the boat is
on the hard. They are not going to launch and take you for a sail if
you're not serious about buying; hence the deposit. Either the
yard/service dept. will pay or the owner. Sometimes the expense is
shared. A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major
brokers.
4) If problems are found during survey or sea trail you may attempt to
re-negotiate the price or just walk away. I've never seen a broker not
return the deposit promptly. If all is in order you're expected to
follow through, but some folks still walk due to cold feet, another
boat or financial issues.
5) We won't arrange anything on some of our larger boats unless we know
you have the means to buy the boat.

A good broker wants you back when you decide to move up to a larger
yacht.


Robert
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
The Hunter 34 can certainly go offshore safely.

I think Shaun might appreciate the opinion of someone who had actually
sailed outside of Long Island Sound.


So then you don't agree with my statement?

As has often been claimed, almost any vessel can survive an ocean
voyage. However, experienced sailers have for thousands of years have
deemed some vessels safer than others. From what I know of the 34, it
falls below the line. Just my opinion, and I'll concede that my
offshore experience is somewhat limited.


BTW, does the Jersey coast
count as outside of the LIS?

I allowed you several hours of "outside" time just to include that one
particular trip. But this just proves my point: you went on one short
delivery a few miles down the NJ coast 6 years ago, and you've used
that over and over again to "prove" you have "offshore" experience.


Do you have any experienced comments to
make for Shaun or are you just trolling?

Not really. Even though I've been on dozens of trips 10 times longer
than your little hop, including being 50 miles offshore a number of
times, I wouldn't presume to advise on the offshore capability of a
vessel other than one I've actually sailed in heavy weather, on a real
ocean.

But I will offer this: a few years ago I was attending a class where
most of the other students were delivery captains, several had done
South Africa to the Caribbean a number of times. Three of them were
chatting one morning (I was really eaves dropping) when the topic came
up of a sailboat that had requested rescue about 100 miles off
Nantucket, in conditions that weren't that bad. One of them said "I
don't suppose the boat type began with 'H'?" and the three of them
started laughing so hard I thought they'd split a gut!

I think you missed his point here. He never said to make an offer the first
time You look. Take your time and look around, go back for a 2nd or 3rd look
if You find something you like and are interested, research as much as You
can, then when You are comfortable and ready to take things further and have
narrowed Your search down to a couple of boats make Your offer.
A Licensed Captain will have insurance coverage and will resolve You of any
liability if something were to happen while out on a sea trial. After You
purchase the boat and are insured You will be your own captain.
wrote in message
...
Thanks for taking the time to explain the process.
My comments are as follows;

2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL.
That means that I will have to make a deposit of about 10%?
The probability of buying a sailboat on the first look around is possible
but remote.
3) A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major brokers.
Once I buy the boat I will be the one handling the sailboat, setting
sails, trimming,docking, maintaining it and so on.
I am not a maverick but what does a licensed captain have that I do not
already have? I have never turned down good advises and suggestions.
This morning I have a mixed feeling about surveyors. I just learned that
one of my friend lost his rudder on his way to Bermuda and had to be
rescued by a container ship. I hope to get more details on that one.




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

Each time, before the trial the
broker insisted on having a deposit to show my good intend.
I soon learned that the Sea Trial approach was a broker's tactic to
secure a
deposit.


I have sold quite a few boats and co-brokered some others. This is how
it generally works.

1) Look over the boat and decide if she's for you.
2) Make an offer, which is PENDING SURVEY and SEA TRIAL
3) Give a deposit. It costs money to do a sea trial. Often the boat is
on the hard. They are not going to launch and take you for a sail if
you're not serious about buying; hence the deposit. Either the
yard/service dept. will pay or the owner. Sometimes the expense is
shared. A licensed captain is often used for the sea trial at major
brokers.
4) If problems are found during survey or sea trail you may attempt to
re-negotiate the price or just walk away. I've never seen a broker not
return the deposit promptly. If all is in order you're expected to
follow through, but some folks still walk due to cold feet, another
boat or financial issues.
5) We won't arrange anything on some of our larger boats unless we know
you have the means to buy the boat.

A good broker wants you back when you decide to move up to a larger
yacht.


Robert
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Daysailing from City Island does not make you an expert on offshore
cruising in Western Australia.



This is not ASA, Jeff.

Quite correct. There are serious sailors here - let them give
opinions on what makes an offshore boat. Newbies like you should sit
back and listen.

Let us all know how your PDQ 36 does in Western
Australia.

I don't think any have been there, but what's your point? I've had
mine out in the "real" ocean a number of times, including doing the
entire NJ coast several times. A few sisterships have crossed the
Atlantic, and about 20% have been to Bermuda.

As it turns out, my final decision to buy the PDQ was when sailing one
in nice breeze (16+ kts) and passing a Hunter 34 as we got hit by a
puff. The Hunter was briefly overpowered, heeled and rounded up,
while the PDQ just accelerated.

My cat was certainly not designed as a long distance passage maker.
If I wanted that I would have bought a Prout. But I've had it in 6 to
10 foot seas, and 35+ knots wind a number of times and have been quite
thankful it wasn't a clorox bottle, like many of the benehuntalinas.
The West Coast of Australia is well known for having large seas and a
breeze - anyone purchasing for that area would want to take that into
account.

One more thing- the Hunter 34 is not the same boat as the Hunter 33
Cherubini. While the 33 is sometimes described as a "world cruiser" I
don't hear that about the 34.

So in your opinion boats who's maker start with "H" are not offshore capable
or reliable? and You form Your opinion from one conversation you were
eavesdropping on? Hrmm i guess all those hatterras owners might want to keep
their boats in their slips then.
"Jeff" wrote in message
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But I will offer this: a few years ago I was attending a class where most
of the other students were delivery captains, several had done South
Africa to the Caribbean a number of times. Three of them were chatting
one morning (I was really eaves dropping) when the topic came up of a
sailboat that had requested rescue about 100 miles off Nantucket, in
conditions that weren't that bad. One of them said "I don't suppose the
boat type began with 'H'?" and the three of them started laughing so hard
I thought they'd split a gut!

asked:
what does a licensed captain have that I do not
already have?

At the point the sea trial is taking place, the boat doesn't belong to
you yet. The owner and broker naturally would rather place the
responsibility for the safe operation of the vessel in the hands of a
licensed captain. It seems to me that the liability issues alone would
preclude allowing a prospective buyer from captaining it during the sea
trial. You will certainly be allowed to take the helm, maneuvering it
both under sail and power, but the responsibility will be in the hands
of the captain.

Also, no one has pointed out the obvious, so I'll go ahead and do so.
The purpose of a sea trial is to get the boat on the water, exercise all
it's systems and verify what works and doesn't work. Get the sails up
so you can see how they set, try the boat on all points of sail in an
attempt to detect problems in it's handling, etc. In my limited
experience buying boats, this is not a relaxed "day on the bay", but
rather a quick businesslike checkout of the boat and it's systems. You
should be treating it as an opportunity to discover things that are
wrong with the boat that can be used to either beat the owner down on
the price or to cause you to walk (run?) away from the deal.

Quite correct. There are serious sailors here - let them give
opinions on what makes an offshore boat.


Jeff, you're little more than an ASA troll here. I'm certain that Shaun
was capable of understanding my comment about the H34. I seriously
doubt he thought I was suggesting the H34 was a top bluewater choice.
I've also brokered the boat and the one I sold is now sailing offshore
on occasion and the owners are happy. I only sailed the boat
locally...nice boat for under 30K.
As usual I hope everyone who reads your posts become suitably impressed
with your Catamaran. Since I I had my C&C in 6-8 foot seas in a 40 knot
blow, I guess I shouldn't have been having fun at the time. Come to
think of it we saw 8 foot seas and 50 knots in the little Catalina 27.
So?
The H34 is capable of going offshore, Jeff. And that's a fact. The rest
of your post is all troll, so I'm taking the tips from others here and
not responding.

Did you see the shots of my boat sailing Monday....perfect weather
lately!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S8CqSXMnFaA

Enjoy,


Robert
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:

Quite correct. There are serious sailors here - let them give
opinions on what makes an offshore boat.


Jeff, you're little more than an ASA troll here. I'm certain that Shaun
was capable of understanding my comment about the H34. I seriously
doubt he thought I was suggesting the H34 was a top bluewater choice.
I've also brokered the boat and the one I sold is now sailing offshore
on occasion and the owners are happy. I only sailed the boat
locally...nice boat for under 30K.

And your opinion of offshore capability is based on ...?


As usual I hope everyone who reads your posts become suitably impressed
with your Catamaran.

You asked about it, I said specifically that I didn't think even that
was sufficient to pass judgment on other boats.


Since I I had my C&C in 6-8 foot seas in a 40 knot
blow, I guess I shouldn't have been having fun at the time. Come to
think of it we saw 8 foot seas and 50 knots in the little Catalina 27.
So?

What a crock of ****! You have no idea what a 6 foot sea is! And
while you might have briefly seen a strong wind in a passing squall,
handling 50 knots for a full day or more when you're offshore is just
a little different from 10 minutes when you're a mile from your slip.


The H34 is capable of going offshore, Jeff. And that's a fact. The rest
of your post is all troll, so I'm taking the tips from others here and
not responding.

Not a troll, Bob. Anyone getting advice deserves to what your
qualifications are. Why don't you tell us how you bragged all summer
3 years ago that you were planning a trip "out of sight of land" but
then never quite got around to it! How many times have you been 50
miles from your slip? Once, twice? How many times have you been out
longer than two nights? Once?



Did you see the shots of my boat sailing Monday....perfect weather
lately!
http://youtube.com/...

And again you spam us with your commercial posts.