"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can
get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost
of a 36' trawler.

Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much
livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-)




It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious
for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel
and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped
into the water.

I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified
in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe
clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and
hypocrisy.

Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his
private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people
are responsible for.

Yah, right!


Wilbur Hubbard

On 3/18/2011 1:19 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can
get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost
of a 36' trawler.

Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much
livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-)




It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious
for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel
and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped
into the water.

I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified
in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe
clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and
hypocrisy.

Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his
private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people
are responsible for.

Yah, right!


Wilbur Hubbard


While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.

On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.

Ewwww.........

"Ernie" wrote in message
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On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.

Ewwww.........



Two equally ignorant Rubes speculating and getting it wrong. LOL!

I guess you two are just too environmentally irresponsible to learn how to
sail and to enjoy the benefits of sail over motor in a recreational capacity
when it comes to the environment. And, you are the ones most hurt by your
own pollution machines - you breathe it abundantly when underway as in any
trawler the exhaust swirls around the transom and gets drawn forward into
the accommodation where the entire boat reeks of diesel fumes and the lungs
of the occupants end up polluted with it.

Get a clue you two.


Wilbur Hubbard

On 3/18/2011 1:53 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message
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On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.

Ewwww.........



Two equally ignorant Rubes speculating and getting it wrong. LOL!

I guess you two are just too environmentally irresponsible to learn how to
sail and to enjoy the benefits of sail over motor in a recreational capacity
when it comes to the environment. And, you are the ones most hurt by your
own pollution machines - you breathe it abundantly when underway as in any
trawler the exhaust swirls around the transom and gets drawn forward into
the accommodation where the entire boat reeks of diesel fumes and the lungs
of the occupants end up polluted with it.

Get a clue you two.


Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur you are a pig. No, I take that back. Pigs are cleaner than you.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:53:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Ernie" wrote in message
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On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.

Ewwww.........



Two equally ignorant Rubes speculating and getting it wrong. LOL!

I guess you two are just too environmentally irresponsible to learn how to
sail and to enjoy the benefits of sail over motor in a recreational capacity
when it comes to the environment. And, you are the ones most hurt by your
own pollution machines - you breathe it abundantly when underway as in any
trawler the exhaust swirls around the transom and gets drawn forward into
the accommodation where the entire boat reeks of diesel fumes and the lungs
of the occupants end up polluted with it.

Get a clue you two.


Wilbur Hubbard


Which doesn't answer the question, "If Willlie-boy is such a sailor
what is he doing with an outboard lashed to the transom of HIS boat?

Oh, by the way Willie, how would you know about fumes swirling around
the transom and being drawn into the boat? Oh, yes... must have read
it inna book. It certainly sounds like Lynn Pardy's kind of story.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.



The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission
standards.

Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses
the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of
the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the
pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered
generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising.

So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and
selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we
breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important
than our health.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.



The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission
standards.

Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses
the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of
the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the
pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered
generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising.

So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and
selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we
breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important
than our health.


Wilbur Hubbard


Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't
you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a
motor. I'm ashamed of you.

Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and
then you can be 100%.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:

While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us
why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK.


I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water.



The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission
standards.

Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses
the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of
the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the
pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered
generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising.

So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and
selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we
breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important
than our health.


Wilbur Hubbard


Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't
you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a
motor. I'm ashamed of you.

Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and
then you can be 100%.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it
rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization?