Why do they charge $100 for that
card ..TIWC? Seems like it's kind of over the top. What does it get
you?


For those who work in the maritime industry/docks etc it is a
requirment to gain access to vessels and other secure areas.. as in
get passed the gate to the dock.


It gets you a fancy ID card that has all of your biometric data,
including fingerprints, encoded on to an internal chip. *All people
involved in public transportation are now required to have one.

as in Transportation Worker Identification Card (TWIC).


And the Coast Guard officers couldn't care less about even looking at the
damned thing.

Not true........ Ive had USCG boardig team request my "mariners
papers" which included my TWIC

They know it's a farce.

That is a huge assumptoin on your part. The USCG people Ive met were
exemplary professionals. Their personal opinions were not evident.
They were there reperseinting the laws of the land.

They respect the Master License they
issue but they reject the redundant TWIC card.


Respect has nothing to do with it. Pure and simple its a job. They ask
for certain documnets and I as a workig mariner present thoes
documents.

Why? Because the stupid
bureaucrats don't give them scanners for the biometric chip. So what good is
it?


That my friend yould have to ask Geo Bush and the republicans. They
were the ones who created Das Homland Security and the TSA. If you
want to blame somebody blame the republicans for stealing more of our
personal feedoms.


LOL!

Wilbur Hubbard

"Bob" wrote in message
...

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And the Coast Guard officers couldn't care less about even looking at the
damned thing. -- WH

Not true........ Ive had USCG boardig team request my "mariners
papers" which included my TWIC

But, did they scan it? No they did not because they don't have scanners.
That's why they don't care about it. It means nothing to them. A fellow
captain whom I know had the CG request his mariners credentials and he
handed his little packet with Master's license and TWIC card. They didn't
even glance at the TWIC card. Ignored it completely. It's a joke. Only the
TSA gives a flying crap about it. Just more job security for them.


They know it's a farce. -- WH

That is a huge assumptoin on your part. The USCG people Ive met were
exemplary professionals. Their personal opinions were not evident.
They were there reperseinting the laws of the land.

Sorry, but they represent the laws of the sea. Get a clue. Stop demeaning
them. They are professionals and military professionals at that. They don't
truck lubberly bureaucrat crap. Comparing them to TSA rabble is
unacceptable.

They respect the Master License they
issue but they reject the redundant TWIC card. --WH

Respect has nothing to do with it. Pure and simple its a job. They ask
for certain documnets and I as a workig mariner present thoes
documents.

What they ask for, if it's included in "mariners documents" category and
what they look at are two different things. They don't look at the stupid,
redundant TWIC card because they can't scan it. All the information on the
rf chip is not even available to them. Besides, what if I'm not carrying
passengers for hire? What the hell do I need a TWIC card for? Give me a
break, dOOd! Stop with the Big Brother, love attitude. PUTZ!



Wilbur Hubbard

What they ask for, if it's included in "mariners documents" category and
what they look at are two different things.

I apologize for my hasty reply. A liscensed master or a mariner with a
rating now carries a Merchant Mariner Credential (MMC). They are
orange and look just like a US Passport. It takes the place of the "Z
Card" and that pretty 25 ton master license proudly hanging onyour
wall. I do better with more accurate and detaild reples so not to add
to the banter.



Besides, what if I'm not carrying
passengers for hire?

Its very simple I a person has a USCG master license they are required
to have a TWIC. The CG assumes the license is for those who actually
use it for work not for an ego stroking wall art.


What the hell do I need a TWIC card for?

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license. You wont ever get another one.

Give me a
break, dOOd! Stop with the Big Brother, love attitude. PUTZ!

Dood then stop voting for republicans! They have consistantly grown
our national debt and taken our personal freedoms more than any group
in moder history.

Bob
Wilbur Hubbard

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:57 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license.

The latest CFRs actually go farther than that. They say that without
a TWIC card your Masters ticket or OUPV are no longer valid.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:57 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license.

The latest CFRs actually go farther than that. They say that without
a TWIC card your Masters ticket or OUPV are no longer valid.





There will be lawsuits. The government sold you something you paid good
money for and invested good time for that gave you certain rights and
privileges and now they say it's no longer valid.

That is fraud in anybody's book.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:13:57 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:57 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license.

The latest CFRs actually go farther than that. They say that without
a TWIC card your Masters ticket or OUPV are no longer valid.





There will be lawsuits. The government sold you something you paid good
money for and invested good time for that gave you certain rights and
privileges and now they say it's no longer valid.

That is fraud in anybody's book.


Wilbur Hubbard


I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.

I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.- Hide quoted text -

No its called a "Revision."

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:13:57 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 11:16:57 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

CFRs require it for all people needing dock acess for thier job. But
since you dont sail your license you reall have no use for either a
TWIC or that master license (sutible for framing and display) Hang on
to that purdy license.

The latest CFRs actually go farther than that. They say that without
a TWIC card your Masters ticket or OUPV are no longer valid.





There will be lawsuits. The government sold you something you paid good
money for and invested good time for that gave you certain rights and
privileges and now they say it's no longer valid.

That is fraud in anybody's book.


I'm no lawyer, but it's changing the rules after the fact. That's
bogus.



You're so lovable!


Wilbur Hubbard