"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:43:31 -0600, CaveLamb
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Emptied the bilges

Why does a couple of feet of oar sticking out of the boat matter?

Well, someone could get snagged on it or it could get snagged on
something. Do you really need that extra couple of feet to power up?


People who have to ask such a question (Cavelamb) are no sailors.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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Well, I think you're right, and I think I'm right too... I just posted
a link from the first Google hit.



Thanks, I saw that one. Just another nail in Bruce's coffin. LOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

"Bruce" wrote in message
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I think you are repeating yourself as I just answered your first
message on that subject.


Considering how thick your skull is at times, saying something twice might
be the preferred way to get it through.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Bruce" wrote in message
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pumped out the bilge


Nope. Referring your Internet posted, detailed, instructions about
stealing a bottle of booze from Walmart....

You have a very selective memory.


Wrong! I never posted about stealing booze. You must have me mixed up with
somebody else. Hell, Wal-Mart doesn't even sell booze. And, besides, there
isn't even a Wal-Mart around here. Only a Kmart.


Wilbur Hubbard

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:17:17 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Bruce" wrote in message
news snip

And you certainly should know - Willie-the great Walmart Thief.


Urban legend. Returning defective storage batteries for warranty exchange
is
not theft.


Wilbur Hubbard


What's wrong with a warranty exchange?? I don't get it. Wal-Mart is
pretty good about taking stuff back.. Home Depot took back cabinet I
bought that basically fell apart. All I needed was the receipt.




Poor Bruce! He is really grabbing at straws now. He's failed to support his
side about overly long oars so now he's trying to bring up a bunch of
unrelated bilge in a failed attempt to do a little sidestepping acting.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Bruce" wrote in message
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What I'm doing is trying to get Willie to admit the truth. The license
is one he originally posted to the Internet as belonging to Capt.
Neal, if I remember correctly, and was a 6 pack license, i.e. he could
carry up to 6 passengers for hire. to get one you take a simple
written test and simply say that you have the required days of sea
time.

A very different story from what most people envision when someone
says, "I've got a Marine Master's license."

Jesus, my wife has a better license then Willie, she can captain a
boat up to something like 50 tons. But unlike Willie she doesn't go
around posting a picture on the Internet and bragging about it.


Your memory sure isn't much to set any store by . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:30:04 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

Why do they charge $100 for that
card ..TIWC? Seems like it's kind of over the top. What does it get
you?

It gets you a fancy ID card that has all of your biometric data,
including fingerprints, encoded on to an internal chip. All people
involved in public transportation are now required to have one.

On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 05:37:41 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:16:05 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:09:24 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:01:49 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:38:40 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:37:26 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:36 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
news:nbm2k6pn6j6ktvnj0fbr0rcld6g9sclibf@4a x.com...
snippage

Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder
where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go
further.

You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right!

But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up,
unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'.

Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit
inside the boat.

ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the
length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words.


I hadn't believed that you were actually as stupid as you just proved
yourself. I guess that proves that you should never underrate your
opponents abilities.

The "attribute" of an oar is that it reaches the water..... (Oars
originated for, and are still used today, as a devise to propel a boat
(through the water). Certainly it may have other attributes such as
weight, shape of blade, material of which it is made, etc, but fitting
inside the boat is not one of them.

Your argument is about as logical as saying that the mast should not
be longer then the length of the cockpit....because that
is where you want to keep it when you aren't using the sails.

Cheers,

Bruce

Ok... dumb question time... if the oar doesn't fit in the boat, what
the heck do you do with it when you're done using it? If you just
leave it hanging out, it seems to me it would get torn off or damaged.

Go down to the harbor and have a look at any row boats that may be
around... or visit a collage and have a look in their boat houses...
Or google "correct oar length". Do you see any of them recommend that
ability to store inside the boat as an important factor in sizing
them.

Kind of like special ordering an outboard engine with a 12 inch
shaft... cause that is the size of the locker you plan to store it in.

Cheers,

Bruce

This was the first link for dinghy oar length with a google search...

http://www.answers.com/topic/dinghy-oars

"the typical yacht tender of 7 to 9 feet (2.1 to 2.7 m), they should
be about 6 feet (1.8 m) long"


Yes, you can go to the web and get fallacious answer or you could do a
bit more study and come up with something like
http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/Oarchoice.html
to see what people who actually row boats think about generalizations
regarding oar length. I might add that people who are serious about
paddling canoes take as much care in choosing their paddles as an
oarsman takes in choosing his oars.

The difference is between the week-end dilettante and the individual
that actually rows a boat.

Cheers,

Bruce

Well, it seems like the guy who wrote this is talking about a
different sort of rowing. There are sculling rowers out there who have
oars that are very, very long. So what? Are you planning on towing one
of those?

I don't know who you're calling a dilettante, but if you're talking
about Wil, I think he's being pretty logical about it. If you're
talking about me, I've never made any claim to know much about boats
(or rowing for that matter). I do know about logical thought, and he
seems to be thinking it.

Firstly, the article I provided the link for was by a bloke in N.Z.
who is building a rowing boat, not a racing shell... Quite a
difference. The point was to demonstrate that oars are a bit more
complex then just a "they gotta fit in the boat" specification.

I don't think Capt. Wil said that was the only criteria for an oar.

I wasn't specifically referring to anyone when I used the words
"weekend dilettante". I was simply referring to those who spend their
time (on Sunday) sailing in the bay, and have all the toys.

Cheers,

Bruce

On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:06:36 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:25:33 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:50:52 +0700, Bruce
wrote:


Actually in my case it was the trough that was the most noticeable. I
was sitting on the cockpit combing and watching a catamaran and a mono
hull, both headed toward Phi Phi and discussing, with my wife, which
one would get there first when suddenly the horizon was only a very
short distance away, perhaps 50 - 100 meters. By the time I could say,
"What the...." the horizon was back to normal and we saw the wave hit
an island some 3 miles east of us.

So, nothing much happened on your boat. You noticed it, but that was
about it.

Jesus, what did you expect? Had the wave arrived an hour earlier it
would have crushed the boat against an island and neither I or my wife
would be here to talk about it.

The discussion started with your talk about being "prepared" for
calamities at sea. I was simply trying to demonstrate that not
everything can be prepared for.

Bruce, I don't think I said that. I specifically talked about getting
run over by a tanker. Everyone deserves to be lucky from time to time!
I'm glad you and your wife are ok!


I recall hearing? reading? about people in
their sailboat in the harbor who rode it out by getting going, then
rescued a bunch of people. Seems to me you're safer moving and away
from the marina, which was my point.

Yes, we had some friends anchored in a bay on the S.W. side of Phuket
and when the water suddenly went away, as they described it, they, a
bloke and his wife, started the engine and knocked the lock off the
anchor winch and ran the chain overboard and headed for the ocean.
They said that they got far enough off shore by the time the crest got
there that they just bounced up and down a bit.

Sounds like they were prepared and did the right thing...?

Nope. In the first place they didn't know what was happening when it
occurred. All they knew was that "the water went away", as they said.
Their reaction was simply to get into more water so if it continued to
"go away" they would still be floating. Starting the engine... well
you turn the key, so perhaps leaving the key in the switch (as nearly
all Yachties do) is being prepared. Running the anchor chain out to
get free of the anchor is actually being un-prepared as most people
advocate tying a rope to the last link in the anchor chain so if you
do run the chain all the way out you don't lose it.

So, they were unprepared but did the right thing? Sounds like they
were prepared to do the right thing! lol

In the situation I described it will knock your boat down - lay it
over on its side - which by itself is not particularly hazardous in a
well found sloop (single masted boat), but will certainly make you sit
up and take notice.

Well, hang on a sec... I don't know what reef pulled in means, but
when the wind blows against the sail, the boat leans over... knocks
down? Ok. Then what? It comes back up or does it keep going? What
happens if you release all the sails? If it happens at night, then ok,
you got hit the first time, but then.... ?

A knock down occurs when the wind against the sail comes from, broadly
speaking, either side of the boat. If the wind suddenly blows hard
enough to overcome the weight of the boat, the boat tips over.
However, as the boat tips over (heels) the grip of the rudder on the
water diminishes and there is less force holding the boat on its
heading.

What happens is that the wind forces the boat over on its side, but
then the ruder is not holding the boat on its course so it turns into
the wind, which decreases the wind pressure on the sails and allows
the boat to right itself.

Ok, so it rights itself, and hopefully everyone is still on the boat,
along with the stuff...


We released all the ropes when we brought them down at the end of the
day... the sails and ropes just flapped around a lot and the boat
stopped moving.

Yes, because you released the "sheets" the ropes that hold the sail
against the wind pressure and allot it to just flap - like a flag.

Ok... well, if I got heeled, then I would release those sheets!

In the book the Perfect Storm, the sailboat seems to take it long
enough for the people to be rescued, and it seems like the winds in
that storm are much higher than in a squall.

I think that you are a bit confused as "The Perfect Storm" is a book
about the swordfishing boa, the Andrea Gail, out of Gloucester,
Massachusetts, that sank in 1991, in a large storm in the N. Atlantic.
Cheers,

Bruce

There was definitely a sailboat.. Satoria I think.

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:05:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:30:04 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

Why do they charge $100 for that
card ..TIWC? Seems like it's kind of over the top. What does it get
you?

It gets you a fancy ID card that has all of your biometric data,
including fingerprints, encoded on to an internal chip. All people
involved in public transportation are now required to have one.

Sounds like it gets the government a whole lot more than they need for
people who take a few people sailing. I guess I could see it for a
tanker or a ferry or something. I really wouldn't want all that info
on a chip.