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Jessica B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:32:07 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:45:51 -0800, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:07:49 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:33:15 -0800, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:02:08 +0700, Bruce wrote: much snipped Sorry, but I didn't understand even 1/2 of this. Maybe one should not go sailing if you can't deal with the issues that come up, short of being run over by a tanker or something? Sounds pretty simple. Can you deal with a tsunami arrives with no warning and kills some 5,000 people in your immediate area? A 60 MPH squall that hits you at night? Of course not. A couple of things occur to me. First, I thought a tsunami was only dangerous near land. The wave front may only be a few inches (or feet) high depending on the depth of the water where you are. But they can move at amazingly high speeds. I've even heard near supersonic. So the amount of energy involved can be equally amazing. Enough to roll your boat. Or bust off the keel. If that's the case, then how could it do damage to a boat that's sailing offshore? Second, it seems like you should be able to handle high winds. Wouldn't you be prepared for that? Why are you sleeping when there's a storm going on? Believe it or not, sailing can be very tiring. After a while the body is depleted and you just shut down. Most of the boats abonded while racing are later found floating - intact. They were abandoned because the crew was exhausted to the point of having no other choice. The crew is almost ALWAYS the limiting factor. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:20:12 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:36 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... snippage Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go further. You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right! But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up, unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'. Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit inside the boat. ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words. I hadn't believed that you were actually as stupid as you just proved yourself. I guess that proves that you should never underrate your opponents abilities. The "attribute" of an oar is that it reaches the water..... (Oars originated for, and are still used today, as a devise to propel a boat (through the water). Certainly it may have other attributes such as weight, shape of blade, material of which it is made, etc, but fitting inside the boat is not one of them. Your argument is about as logical as saying that the mast should not be longer then the length of the cockpit....because that is where you want to keep it when you aren't using the sails. Cheers, Bruce Ok... dumb question time... if the oar doesn't fit in the boat, what the heck do you do with it when you're done using it? If you just leave it hanging out, it seems to me it would get torn off or damaged. Mine are in the oar bag. Ok.. so, what happens when you get to the beach or where you're going? Seems to me that you'd want to keep them in the boat and not sticking out? |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:25:34 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:32:07 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:45:51 -0800, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:07:49 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:33:15 -0800, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:02:08 +0700, Bruce wrote: much snipped Sorry, but I didn't understand even 1/2 of this. Maybe one should not go sailing if you can't deal with the issues that come up, short of being run over by a tanker or something? Sounds pretty simple. Can you deal with a tsunami arrives with no warning and kills some 5,000 people in your immediate area? A 60 MPH squall that hits you at night? Of course not. A couple of things occur to me. First, I thought a tsunami was only dangerous near land. The wave front may only be a few inches (or feet) high depending on the depth of the water where you are. But they can move at amazingly high speeds. I've even heard near supersonic. So the amount of energy involved can be equally amazing. Enough to roll your boat. Or bust off the keel. From what I've read, nobody even knows a tsunami happens in the ocean. If that's the case, then how could it do damage to a boat that's sailing offshore? Second, it seems like you should be able to handle high winds. Wouldn't you be prepared for that? Why are you sleeping when there's a storm going on? Believe it or not, sailing can be very tiring. After a while the body is depleted and you just shut down. Ok, but wouldn't you have someone to take over while you sleep? If you get that tired, then maybe you need a shorter trip in better weather! Most of the boats abonded while racing are later found floating - intact. They were abandoned because the crew was exhausted to the point of having no other choice. No other choice than what? If the boat is still floating, why did the people leave? The crew is almost ALWAYS the limiting factor. I believe you. |
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Jessica B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:20:12 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:36 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... snippage Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go further. You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right! But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up, unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'. Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit inside the boat. ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words. I hadn't believed that you were actually as stupid as you just proved yourself. I guess that proves that you should never underrate your opponents abilities. The "attribute" of an oar is that it reaches the water..... (Oars originated for, and are still used today, as a devise to propel a boat (through the water). Certainly it may have other attributes such as weight, shape of blade, material of which it is made, etc, but fitting inside the boat is not one of them. Your argument is about as logical as saying that the mast should not be longer then the length of the cockpit....because that is where you want to keep it when you aren't using the sails. Cheers, Bruce Ok... dumb question time... if the oar doesn't fit in the boat, what the heck do you do with it when you're done using it? If you just leave it hanging out, it seems to me it would get torn off or damaged. Mine are in the oar bag. Ok.. so, what happens when you get to the beach or where you're going? Seems to me that you'd want to keep them in the boat and not sticking out? Why does a couple of feet of oar sticking out of the boat matter? -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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If that's the case, then how could it do damage to a boat that's sailing offshore? Second, it seems like you should be able to handle high winds. Wouldn't you be prepared for that? Why are you sleeping when there's a storm going on? Believe it or not, sailing can be very tiring. After a while the body is depleted and you just shut down. Ok, but wouldn't you have someone to take over while you sleep? If you get that tired, then maybe you need a shorter trip in better weather! My boat sails 6 or 7 knots. Weather can move in many times faster than that. With modern weather forecasting we can pick our "window". But that's no guarantee that the weather guessers will be right The only perfectly safe way is to not go at all. And that's just not acceptable. The oldest prayer at sea still applies... Dear Lord, my boat is so small, and Your ocean so big... Most of the boats abandoned while racing are later found floating - intact. They were abandoned because the crew was exhausted to the point of having no other choice. No other choice than what? If the boat is still floating, why did the people leave? The crew is almost ALWAYS the limiting factor. I believe you. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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rOn Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:35:45 -0800, Jessica B
wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:34:52 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... snippage Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go further. You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right! But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up, unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'. Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit inside the boat. ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words. snip And, whatever happened to your kill file? It seems to have as many holes in it as "Red Cloud's" transom. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard AS I previously mentioned, Willie doesn't have a clue and simply makes things up. I do not keep a boat in Bangkok (Willie (the master mariner obviously thinks "Bangkok" is a country), never have. The boat is presently located at Phuket Island, Thailand. Previously it was at Langkawi Island, Kedeh, Malaysia, and before that in the Singapore Straits, where I anchored for three years. I could regress even more but why bother as Willie-the master mariner has never been over here, knows nothing about it, and I might as well be writing Bucuresti, Trieste, or Vladivostok for all he knows. Cheers, Bruce Please don't regress! I think you mean digress. regress ~ noun rare 1. the reasoning involved when you assume the conclusion is true and reason backward to the evidence. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:37:26 -0800, Jessica B
wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:36 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... snippage Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go further. You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right! But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up, unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'. Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit inside the boat. ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words. I hadn't believed that you were actually as stupid as you just proved yourself. I guess that proves that you should never underrate your opponents abilities. The "attribute" of an oar is that it reaches the water..... (Oars originated for, and are still used today, as a devise to propel a boat (through the water). Certainly it may have other attributes such as weight, shape of blade, material of which it is made, etc, but fitting inside the boat is not one of them. Your argument is about as logical as saying that the mast should not be longer then the length of the cockpit....because that is where you want to keep it when you aren't using the sails. Cheers, Bruce Ok... dumb question time... if the oar doesn't fit in the boat, what the heck do you do with it when you're done using it? If you just leave it hanging out, it seems to me it would get torn off or damaged. Go down to the harbor and have a look at any row boats that may be around... or visit a collage and have a look in their boat houses... Or google "correct oar length". Do you see any of them recommend that ability to store inside the boat as an important factor in sizing them. Kind of like special ordering an outboard engine with a 12 inch shaft... cause that is the size of the locker you plan to store it in. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:26:37 -0800, Jessica B
wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:20:12 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:36 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... snippage Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go further. You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right! But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up, unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'. Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit inside the boat. ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words. I hadn't believed that you were actually as stupid as you just proved yourself. I guess that proves that you should never underrate your opponents abilities. The "attribute" of an oar is that it reaches the water..... (Oars originated for, and are still used today, as a devise to propel a boat (through the water). Certainly it may have other attributes such as weight, shape of blade, material of which it is made, etc, but fitting inside the boat is not one of them. Your argument is about as logical as saying that the mast should not be longer then the length of the cockpit....because that is where you want to keep it when you aren't using the sails. Cheers, Bruce Ok... dumb question time... if the oar doesn't fit in the boat, what the heck do you do with it when you're done using it? If you just leave it hanging out, it seems to me it would get torn off or damaged. Mine are in the oar bag. Ok.. so, what happens when you get to the beach or where you're going? Seems to me that you'd want to keep them in the boat and not sticking out? Ever wonder what the Kayak boys do with their paddles that are about 7 ft. long, and them with a cockpit that is an 18 inch hole in the top of the boat. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:43:31 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:20:12 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:36 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message ... snippage Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go further. You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right! But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up, unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'. Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit inside the boat. ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words. I hadn't believed that you were actually as stupid as you just proved yourself. I guess that proves that you should never underrate your opponents abilities. The "attribute" of an oar is that it reaches the water..... (Oars originated for, and are still used today, as a devise to propel a boat (through the water). Certainly it may have other attributes such as weight, shape of blade, material of which it is made, etc, but fitting inside the boat is not one of them. Your argument is about as logical as saying that the mast should not be longer then the length of the cockpit....because that is where you want to keep it when you aren't using the sails. Cheers, Bruce Ok... dumb question time... if the oar doesn't fit in the boat, what the heck do you do with it when you're done using it? If you just leave it hanging out, it seems to me it would get torn off or damaged. Mine are in the oar bag. Ok.. so, what happens when you get to the beach or where you're going? Seems to me that you'd want to keep them in the boat and not sticking out? Why does a couple of feet of oar sticking out of the boat matter? Best to lay them lengthwise and sticking out the bow. that way when you go visiting they sort of fend your dinghy off that hard ol' fiberglass. Cheers, Bruce |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:38:42 -0800, Jessica B
wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:05:01 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 12:03:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:53:17 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Wilbur = Greg = Capt. Neal. That's common knowledge. I am no "spoofer". Just have a couple different NSP accounts in case one or the other goes on the blink. Wilbur Hubbard Oh... ok. So, you're a Captain? That's cool. So, should I call you Neal or Wil... sort of like Wil, but it's your name. I even have a USCG Masters license. But, I let it expire last year because snipped Wilbur Hubbard That really sounds impressive..... but wait a minute, you are talking about an unlimited tonnage, foreign going, Masters Licence, aren't you? Master of a VLCC or something like that? Or perhaps the so called "6-pack" captain's license? The one that only asks you to say that you have sea time and can be gotten by anyone who knows that Red is Right (which doesn't server well outside the U.S) is willing to lie about their experiences...? Cheers, Bruce Is that what you have? Just wondering.... not trying to start a fight.. What I'm doing is trying to get Willie to admit the truth. The license is one he originally posted to the Internet as belonging to Capt. Neal, if I remember correctly, and was a 6 pack license, i.e. he could carry up to 6 passengers for hire. to get one you take a simple written test and simply say that you have the required days of sea time. A very different story from what most people envision when someone says, "I've got a Marine Master's license." Jesus, my wife has a better license then Willie, she can captain a boat up to something like 50 tons. But unlike Willie she doesn't go around posting a picture on the Internet and bragging about it. Cheers, Bruce |
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