"Joe" wrote in message
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On Jan 23, 7:10 pm, "Wayne.B" wrote:
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I need to replace our washer/dryer. Any recommendations on a good,
belt free model?

Splendeen..It's an Italian.W/D
You get about two years good use out of them.


Panty waist! Leave the laundry to the distaff side. I'm sure Ms. Terry can
handle it without your interfering.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:01:23 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:

I don't believe the people in this race were not prepared, nor the boats
in poor condition. The crews were just exhausted, and in fear for their
lives.

Further reading: Sydney to Hobart, 1998.

* Justin.

From what I read, most of the deaths happened due to abandoning the
boats. Maybe if they had stayed with the boat.... ?


Fastnet Disaster of 1979

Interview with Bill Burrows, Chief Engineer Royal Navy Lifeboat
Institution. Retrieved three disabled sailboats in a 21 hour rescue
during the fatal 1979 Fastnet Storm.

“… Look, you get 300 Yachats in poor weather and you’re going to have
some trouble, almost certainly. But the majority of the trouble was
hysteria created by the situation and by inexperienced crews. And that
it was. They were blaming rudders and such, but none of those rudders
would have snapped if they had put drogues out and storm jibs and run
before the weather. They were under bare poles, most of them, and they
were getting up on the seas. And the seas were about 45 feet. Not what
we around here call big.

They got up on these seas and they were running. When the boats were
starting to broach, what the helmsmen were doing was hauling on the
rudders to stop them from broaching. They were putting too much bloody
strain on the rudders, and they had to go.

Yes, I know they were racing sailors, not cruising men, but that’s no
excuse. We went out that night and we passed a little old hooker sort
of thing with a family of kids aboard and they were going away to
Ireland with no trouble at all….”

(The Yacht, April 1987)


What was the most successful design in the history of Sydney to
Hobart?

Bob

Hi Bob... well, I don't know...

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:55:46 -0800 (PST), Bob
wrote:


Wilbur Hubbard

Oh... ok. So, you're a Captain? That's cool. So, should I call you
Neal or Wil... sort of like Wil, but it's your name.

I even have a USCG Masters license. But, I let it expire last year because
the Big Brother bureaucrats decided it was no good without their dumb "TWIC"
card. (Transportation Workers ID card). They wanted me to jump through their
hoops and get finger printed and photographed again and stand in line at one
of their centers for half a day and pay them a hundred bucks more while they
processed forms etc. that were nothing but a duplicate of the forms they had
me fill out when getting the captain's license. *What a joke!


What wilbur is saying is that he has a 25 GRT Master most likely
INLAND. This means that ALL of his credible Sea Service was on vessels
15 GRT. One day over 15 GRT would get Willbur a 50 GRT Master.

Its a rather easy test. The problme that WIlbur is ranting about to
provide a smoke screen for his lack of credible tonnage is now the
USCG and TSA (TWIC) require a significant background check. If you
have a DUI or "other" events that may place you in a security risk
catigory and scuttle your Captiains license. Heck, there are even new
and increased HEALTH requirments that list drugs such as high blood
preasure and others which will deny a renewal. Oh, there are also body
mass index (BMI) requirmenst. In other words., those fat ass coonasses
down south may get denied a renewal cause their so fat.

Whoa... you're a captain? That's so cool! That says a lot about you...

See above.

So I take it that you have such a license? It might be easy for you...
the test... but not for most people I bet!


you have to pass all sorts of background checks if it's anything like
getting even a local government job like mine.


And I support increased requirments completely. It time to keep the
drug users and fat asses off the water.

Somehow I don't get the impression that Capt. Wil is either a drug
user or a fat ass.

I don't get what's going on with the government... all this money
coming in, and the whole infrastructure seems to be falling apart. I
don't mind a few rules, but come on. Especially when it comes to
paperwork. You've already been through the checks, you've already
passed your exam (or whatever), so give the individual a break
already.


Its real simple. I get my 200 GRT Master NC/1600 Mate Near Coast and
all is well. a few years later im so obease I cant get up a ladder, my
blood preasure is so high Id blow, im an alcoholic etc... in other
words Im not fit for duty.

I say make the rules MORE strict!

so why are you republicans so anti rules yet when it comes to taking
my privacy away you guys ralley in the streets ?

Hey, I'm not anti-rules. I just want rules that make sense! If you're
in charge of a boat with people, I think having to take a drug test or
whatever is probably reasonable. But, is it reasonable to have to go
through yet another background check? I have to be bonded for my job,
so if I want a door-to-door solicitor permit, should I have to go
through all that background nonsense again? (Not that I want to do
that, that's a requirement here.) Why do they charge $100 for that
card ..TIWC? Seems like it's kind of over the top. What does it get
you? What's wrong with a passport? Just seems like lots of stupid
rules (I know, because I'm responsible for enforcing rules) for little
purpose (the ones I enforce are mostly common-sense).

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:12:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

A kitty cat is a proper addition to a sailing yacht as they will eliminate
any mouse or rat that might come aboard from who knows where.

there is room for you, and a rat, on the yellow dinghy?

Many ocean-going sailors will confirm the fact that a 27-30 foot sailboat is
the ideal size because of the wavelength and frequency of prevailing winds
generated wave trains. Something about twice that size ends up being a
rougher ride by far and can be overwhelmed and pooped in a following sea
whereas the modest-size vessel just rides up and over like a duck. So, get a
clue. Loose that stupid bigger is better attitude. It only paints you as
ignorant of real world sailing.

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Errr, Willie, I'm here in Thailand, and you are still anchored in
Florida? And somehow this indicates that you are the sailorman and I'm
not.....

Admission of failure noted. While I have cruised thousands of miles, I have
never been stranded in some backwater for 30 years like you have. I have met
all my goals and have not been forced into expatriation by virtue of a
dearth of perserverance and/or skills.

Something wrong with your logic I'm afraid.

You're afraid, alright. Afraid of going the rest of the way around. LOL!
Keep telling yourself that half of your goal is success. One day in the
distant future you might even come to really believe it.


Liberal drones? what ever gave you that idea? I certainly would like
to see your evidence to support that statement..


Your brainwashed state and Joe's brainwashed state respecting equating
trying with succeeding is at the very core of liberal drone thinking. It's
the very same thought process that has children playing soccer, softball,
etc. and not keeping score because there can be no losers. Get a clue. In
life there ARE winners and losers and just because one tries, it doesn't
keep one from being a failure and a loser when one does not succeed. You and
Joe are quite pitiful really. Joe brags that he's the better man because he,
at least, tried. Never mind that he tried AND failed miserably. So, by his
reasoning, a miserable failure is better than somebody with goals he tries
and succeeds at attaining even though the goals don't seem quite so lofty?
So you have a failure presuming to be the arbiter of loft? That doesn't
strike you as ludicrous and inane? You can't see that grinding to a halt
half-way around is no success no matter how hard you try to rationalize it,
after the fact?


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:16:05 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:09:24 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:01:49 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:38:40 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:37:26 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:36 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:39:35 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
news:nbm2k6pn6j6ktvnj0fbr0rcld6g9sclibf@4ax .com...
snippage

Given that I have lived for more than half of my life in Asia I wonder
where you came up with your misconception that I ever intended to go
further.

You expect me to believe your goal was a Bangkok backwater? Yah, right!

But of course you don't have misconceptions you simply make it up,
unfortunately your blathering is simply "ignorance in action'.

Wilbur: The proper length for your dinghy oars is short enough to fit
inside the boat.

ONE of the attributes of a proper-length dinghy oar is that it fits into the
length of the dinghy. Get a clue and stop twisting my words.


I hadn't believed that you were actually as stupid as you just proved
yourself. I guess that proves that you should never underrate your
opponents abilities.

The "attribute" of an oar is that it reaches the water..... (Oars
originated for, and are still used today, as a devise to propel a boat
(through the water). Certainly it may have other attributes such as
weight, shape of blade, material of which it is made, etc, but fitting
inside the boat is not one of them.

Your argument is about as logical as saying that the mast should not
be longer then the length of the cockpit....because that
is where you want to keep it when you aren't using the sails.

Cheers,

Bruce

Ok... dumb question time... if the oar doesn't fit in the boat, what
the heck do you do with it when you're done using it? If you just
leave it hanging out, it seems to me it would get torn off or damaged.

Go down to the harbor and have a look at any row boats that may be
around... or visit a collage and have a look in their boat houses...
Or google "correct oar length". Do you see any of them recommend that
ability to store inside the boat as an important factor in sizing
them.

Kind of like special ordering an outboard engine with a 12 inch
shaft... cause that is the size of the locker you plan to store it in.

Cheers,

Bruce

This was the first link for dinghy oar length with a google search...

http://www.answers.com/topic/dinghy-oars

"the typical yacht tender of 7 to 9 feet (2.1 to 2.7 m), they should
be about 6 feet (1.8 m) long"


Yes, you can go to the web and get fallacious answer or you could do a
bit more study and come up with something like
http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/Oarchoice.html
to see what people who actually row boats think about generalizations
regarding oar length. I might add that people who are serious about
paddling canoes take as much care in choosing their paddles as an
oarsman takes in choosing his oars.

The difference is between the week-end dilettante and the individual
that actually rows a boat.

Cheers,

Bruce

Well, it seems like the guy who wrote this is talking about a
different sort of rowing. There are sculling rowers out there who have
oars that are very, very long. So what? Are you planning on towing one
of those?

I don't know who you're calling a dilettante, but if you're talking
about Wil, I think he's being pretty logical about it. If you're
talking about me, I've never made any claim to know much about boats
(or rowing for that matter). I do know about logical thought, and he
seems to be thinking it.

Firstly, the article I provided the link for was by a bloke in N.Z.
who is building a rowing boat, not a racing shell... Quite a
difference. The point was to demonstrate that oars are a bit more
complex then just a "they gotta fit in the boat" specification.

I wasn't specifically referring to anyone when I used the words
"weekend dilettante". I was simply referring to those who spend their
time (on Sunday) sailing in the bay, and have all the toys.

Cheers,

Bruce

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:12:37 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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This from a bloke that brags a photo of himself sitting in a tiny boat
petting a pussy?

A kitty cat is a proper addition to a sailing yacht as they will eliminate
any mouse or rat that might come aboard from who knows where.

Do you have a kitty?! I love cats, but don't have any pets right now.

Yes, I rescued this feral kitten and now he's all grown up. He's still very
timid around people and hides when strangers visit but he's a good hunter.
He mostly hunts insects as that is about all that can get aboard. There was
a mangrove snake he cornered one time in the lazarette just forward of the
outboard motor, though. I had to grab it and toss it overboard but it swam
to the dinghy and crawled up along the transom and got in so I rowed it over
to the shore and put it off so it wouldn't keep coming back.


I think if you left off the word conservative, you would have said it
all. Seriously though... I just don't get this liberal nonsense,
especially what goes on in a place like this. How about some reasoned
approach to finance?? Hello?

Well, aren't you sweet! But, you are right; one of these days people are
going to have to WAKE UP and realize that money doesn't grow on trees.
People who don't produce a damned thing are going to have to realize that
they aren't worth a dime as far as payment for not producing a thing goes.
This country is going to hell in a handbasket. Every high school student
should have to read (and understand) Ayn Rand's, "Atlas Shrugged," before
they are given a diploma. You seem so very sensible. If you haven't read
"Atlas Shrugged" please do so as you are very much in the mold of Dagny
Taggart.

snipped to end


Wilbur Hubbard

"Bruce" wrote in message
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emptied ballast

Sir Eric may well have said/written that, however, given that Hiscock
was writing in an earlier time ("Wandering Under Sail" -1939) and who
died in 1986 I suggest that he was not writing about a rubber dinghy
which is a far different design from the small rowing boat that was
likely what Hiscock had experience with.

Poppycock! Sir Eric knew more about sailing than you can ever hope to. He
was talking about rowing dinghies and not so abortion of an inflatable which
he could not and would not abide for all the obvious reasons. You must think
I have a rubber duck. I do not. My dinghy is constructed of GRP and is six
feel long. Six-foot oars is the max length for my dinghy as they will lay
inside just like Sir Eric recommends. You are the clown the attempted to say
it was nonsense to suggest oars should fit in the length of the dinghy. So,
stop trying to obfuscate, man up, admit your mistake and apologize for your
ignorant abusive tone.

Now go and ask anyone who rows a boat on a daily basis. They will
simply laugh at you and row away as you have just exposed yourself as
yet another Sunday Sailor who (in spite of having read Hiscock) still
knows nothing of boats.

Should I care about the opinion of some wannabe over that of a notable
expert like Sir Eric?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Bruce" wrote in message
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Dinghy Dock? And you've spent all this time nattering on about Marinas
and now you admit to anchoring off to avoid paying dockage and then
sneaking into the dinghy dock??


More proof that you never go anywhere. If you were a real cruiser you would
use dinghy docks regularly when anchored in distant harbors. What do YOU do?
Haul your dinghy ashore on private property? Probably. Some dinghy docks
charge a small fee and some are free - either way trying to change the
subject about the stupidity of having long oars protruding over the ends or
sides of a dinghy just won't cut the mustard.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:52:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
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Why does a couple of feet of oar sticking out of the boat matter?



Spoken like a clueless dolt! An oar or oars sticking out of a dinghy can
catch under the dinghy dock on a rising tide and capsize the boat. Duh!
Just
one of the many hazards that are eliminated with oars that fit inside the
length of the dinghy.

Perhaps some of you pretend sailors need to sail once in a while to learn
how things really go down?


Wilbur Hubbard


Or, even just scratch the sides... You could put fenders to protect
the boat from the dinghy, but they wouldn't protect it from the oars.
They might even get broken off.



Broken off or lost overboard. Bruce is very naive. It makes me wonder if
perhaps he didn't arrive in Thailand as deck cargo aboard a freighter.

Oh, one other thing. You sure have a good head on your shoulders. . .


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:25:33 -0800, Jessica B
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:50:52 +0700, Bruce
wrote:


Actually in my case it was the trough that was the most noticeable. I
was sitting on the cockpit combing and watching a catamaran and a mono
hull, both headed toward Phi Phi and discussing, with my wife, which
one would get there first when suddenly the horizon was only a very
short distance away, perhaps 50 - 100 meters. By the time I could say,
"What the...." the horizon was back to normal and we saw the wave hit
an island some 3 miles east of us.

So, nothing much happened on your boat. You noticed it, but that was
about it.

Jesus, what did you expect? Had the wave arrived an hour earlier it
would have crushed the boat against an island and neither I or my wife
would be here to talk about it.

The discussion started with your talk about being "prepared" for
calamities at sea. I was simply trying to demonstrate that not
everything can be prepared for.

I recall hearing? reading? about people in
their sailboat in the harbor who rode it out by getting going, then
rescued a bunch of people. Seems to me you're safer moving and away
from the marina, which was my point.

Yes, we had some friends anchored in a bay on the S.W. side of Phuket
and when the water suddenly went away, as they described it, they, a
bloke and his wife, started the engine and knocked the lock off the
anchor winch and ran the chain overboard and headed for the ocean.
They said that they got far enough off shore by the time the crest got
there that they just bounced up and down a bit.

Sounds like they were prepared and did the right thing...?

Nope. In the first place they didn't know what was happening when it
occurred. All they knew was that "the water went away", as they said.
Their reaction was simply to get into more water so if it continued to
"go away" they would still be floating. Starting the engine... well
you turn the key, so perhaps leaving the key in the switch (as nearly
all Yachties do) is being prepared. Running the anchor chain out to
get free of the anchor is actually being un-prepared as most people
advocate tying a rope to the last link in the anchor chain so if you
do run the chain all the way out you don't lose it.

In the situation I described it will knock your boat down - lay it
over on its side - which by itself is not particularly hazardous in a
well found sloop (single masted boat), but will certainly make you sit
up and take notice.

Well, hang on a sec... I don't know what reef pulled in means, but
when the wind blows against the sail, the boat leans over... knocks
down? Ok. Then what? It comes back up or does it keep going? What
happens if you release all the sails? If it happens at night, then ok,
you got hit the first time, but then.... ?

A knock down occurs when the wind against the sail comes from, broadly
speaking, either side of the boat. If the wind suddenly blows hard
enough to overcome the weight of the boat, the boat tips over.
However, as the boat tips over (heels) the grip of the rudder on the
water diminishes and there is less force holding the boat on its
heading.

What happens is that the wind forces the boat over on its side, but
then the ruder is not holding the boat on its course so it turns into
the wind, which decreases the wind pressure on the sails and allows
the boat to right itself.

We released all the ropes when we brought them down at the end of the
day... the sails and ropes just flapped around a lot and the boat
stopped moving.

Yes, because you released the "sheets" the ropes that hold the sail
against the wind pressure and allot it to just flap - like a flag.

In the book the Perfect Storm, the sailboat seems to take it long
enough for the people to be rescued, and it seems like the winds in
that storm are much higher than in a squall.

I think that you are a bit confused as "The Perfect Storm" is a book
about the swordfishing boa, the Andrea Gail, out of Gloucester,
Massachusetts, that sank in 1991, in a large storm in the N. Atlantic.
Cheers,

Bruce