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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:28:54 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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Hello Richard,

You enjoying the Jessica Wilbur show? Neals off his meds again.

Yeah. Sad...


Sounds like you and Joe are the ones in need of meds.. or at least
better ones.





Agreed!


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Oh.. whew.. I thought you thought I was thinking he was the reasonable
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As I previously posted, you demonstrate your ignorance of the Real
Cruising lifestyle yet again. the Real Cruiser, i.e., one who actually
makes cruises, rather then an aborted "voyage" around the harbour -
assuming that the wind isn't blowing too strong and nor to lightly -
by necessity requires more then your "minimal clothing".

Say a "cruise" from Singapore to Japan and onward through the
Aleutians, Alaska and onward, ultimately to Mexico and then through
the Canal to the Caribbean, north to Canada and so finally to England
and eventually returned to Asia.

A Cruise made by a personal friend with his 36 ft. steel hull sloop,
over the past few years.


Have you heard anything from Peter recently?
The coffee lover from Sydney.
I miss his conversation.
As I recall, he made some lengthy cruises and was about to cruise to
the Caribbean.
Hope he's doing well.
If you're in contact with him, please pass along my good wishes.

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:08:43 +0700, Bruce
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As I previously posted, you demonstrate your ignorance of the Real
Cruising lifestyle yet again. the Real Cruiser, i.e., one who actually
makes cruises, rather then an aborted "voyage" around the harbour -
assuming that the wind isn't blowing too strong and nor to lightly -
by necessity requires more then your "minimal clothing".

Say a "cruise" from Singapore to Japan and onward through the
Aleutians, Alaska and onward, ultimately to Mexico and then through
the Canal to the Caribbean, north to Canada and so finally to England
and eventually returned to Asia.

A Cruise made by a personal friend with his 36 ft. steel hull sloop,
over the past few years.


Have you heard anything from Peter recently?
The coffee lover from Sydney.
I miss his conversation.
As I recall, he made some lengthy cruises and was about to cruise to
the Caribbean.
Hope he's doing well.
If you're in contact with him, please pass along my good wishes.

--Vic



The last time I heard from Peter he was on the final leg of a
circumnavigation, heading for Australia.

He had some rather bitter family problems, that he was planning on
resolving and as a result I'm not sure exactly where he and what he is
doing however he certainly had some strong contacts in Malaysia.

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I can't help loving your sensible attitude.


Thanks! I've been accused of that before.


You're a rare type these days. . .


You are 100% correct. Some of these lubbers don't know what sailing's all
about, even when they've abused (as opposed to used) a sailboat for years.
Some, like those who carry shoreside-type washer/driers and run them when
sailing (or when anchored) are just plain pathetic.


Seems like you couldn't do much if it's running either... just sit
there an listen to the noise. Gross. What's the point.


I guess the point is these lubbers who pretend to be sailors are actually
comforted by having familiar household appliances running. I suppose it
relieves the tension the feel on a boat so they use it as a security blanket
of sorts.
I don't know if you've spent any time in or around boats but very ludicrous
is when so-called sailors become all insecure in any kind of moderate to
heavy winds so what do they do? They start up the diesel and keep it running
on 'standby'. Talk about Binky city. LOL!

When sailing one needs minimal clothing. To wash that clothing, when
necessary, all that's needed is a bucket full of salt water, a good
detergent that bubbles up in salt water and bleach. Hand scrubbing some
shorts and t-shirts takes little time and one hand-rinse with fresh water
will rid them of salt residue so they dry properly. Drying them in the
wind
and sun takes less than a half hour.


Well, I guess that depends on the temperature. I'd want layers if
things were cold, but in warm weather, just shorts and a t top. Do you
make your guests wear shoes? My friend told me he does so nobody
breaks toes. I hate wearing shoes if I don't have to. Sorry if that
bursts your bubble, but I'm not a high-heels sort of person. I mean I
can, but I just don't.


I suppose I'm spoiled here in southern Florida. It gets a little chilly from
time to time in the winter but most of the year it's shorts, sandals and
t-shirt time. Shoes are for the land. I don't allow cigarette smoking aboard
nor do I allow shoes worn. Nothing beats bare feet. If one is so clumsy that
they stub a toe then I say, "TOUGH." So no bubble busted. Actually any
enclosed footwear is bad for the feet. Makes a great environment for smelly
bacteria and hungry fungus.


Instead, some so-called sailors load their boats up with all sorts of
lubberly crap that requires lubberly amount of energy and I'm convinced
they
do so because they really are AFRAID to sail and live the sailing life so
they sail a house, apartment or condo instead.

I wouldn't mind this sort of stupidity except for the fact that it spreads
out from their boats like a giant sewage slick. The noise of generators
24/7
to run all this crap impinges upon the peace, quiet and clean air of
anchorages everywhere. And, these fools actually think they are sailors.
They think they are cool and they actually brag about their selfish and
anti-social activities on Usenet.


Yeah, yeah! That's what I was thinking... all that noise. I sure as
heck don't want to listen to something running while I'm sipping my
daiquiri.


You are so well-grounded. Why can't everybody be a little less selfish and a
little more concerned about peace and quiet - especially in an anchorage.
Are they so stupid and/or rude that they think their individual noise has
greater rights than others peace and quiet. Just who are these people who
are so self-centered and arrogant? Not only do they make noise but they
pollute the atmosphere doing it. Any boat downwind from a diesel motor
running will be forced to breathe dangerous and obnoxious fumes. How rude is
THAT?

Your sipping a daiquiri bothers nobody at all while making noise and running
smelly generators bothers EVERYBODY. The really sad thing is real sailors
don't do that kind of crap - it's just the pretenders doing it and ruining
an anchorage for everybody. I just wish these cretins would buy an RV and
stay ashore. They really are nothing but trailer park trash cum marina trash
cum pretend sailor. "Hey lookit meeeee!" types.


They are disgusting, selfish and ignorant, bothersome losers.


Sounds like you've had your run-ins with them. It must be nice if you
can find a quiet spot.


Believe me I have. I get settled into a nice quiet anchorage by
mid-afternoon and around sunset here comes the obnoxious twits who come
motoring in, anchor directly upwind of me, the only other boat in the
anchorage, and about three boat lengths away. Do they think I love company
so much that I need a close neighbor? They anchor by committee which is the
moron at the helm yelling at the top of his lungs at the poor wife at the
bow dealing with the anchor. Then they don't even back down on the anchor.
They just drop it with about twenty feet of chain lying right on top of it.
Then they jump in the inflatable with the 25 HP outboard, they coax in the
barking dog. Then off they roar making a big wake. Then they come back after
the dog has shat on somebody's lawn with bags of groceries and cases of beer
and then they proceed to play loud music and get drunk and holler and scream
until about 2 o'clock in the morning. This is what sailing has come to and
most of the imbeciles here in this group actually defend that kind of
behavior because they, themselves, regularly engage in it.

It's a truly sad state of affairs.

Wilbur Hubbard



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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:26:08 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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Reasonable? LOL! Girl, you've got a lot to learn . . .


I meant that you seemed pretty reasonable!!


So, tell me something I don't already know. lol

Jessica, Joe is one of those lubberly, wannabe-type sailors about whom I
refer when saying some are fearful to really sail so they attempt to load
up
a boat with "all the lubberly contraptions" like washer/dryer combos so
they
can feel comfortable because they are addicted to the land and the sailing
life is anathema to them.

Joe's erstwhile boat, "Red Cloud" was prematurely abandoned in a cold
front
in the Gulf of Mexico and he and his rank amateur crew were airlifted off
by
the Coast Guard and his boat was abandoned to her own devices and
eventually
sunk. Joe is a little chicken, IMO. Certainly is no sailor. If his skills
were 1/10th as big as his mouth he might amount to something. As it stands
now he's a disgrace. Why, the moron doesn't even know the proper sized
American flag to fly and he flies it in the wrong place. Nothing screams
incompetence like disrespect for one's flag.


Bummer that he lost his boat... Did they make him pay for his airlift?
Seems like things would be a lot better if people paid for their
mistakes... or at least had to make some kind of partial payment. It
might cut down on the nonsense.


Right you are. People are way to quick to pull the epirb switch because
there is no charge for a rescue operation. No charge for the rescued, at
least. Just another taxpayer-funded operation. It used to be sailors had
pride and would not abandon a boat until they had to step up into the life
raft from it. Nowadays people sprain an ankle or get a little seasick and
they call the Coast Guard. It's deplorable and unseamanlike.


Can you believe it... I had this flag on the back of my bike seat and
it got torn off by some jerk as I rode by. That happened last
summer... right on the beach run. Fortunately, there was a bike cop
following behind me (didn't realize he was there for 1/2 mile, but he
didn't bust me for speeding - yeah, they have speed limits for bikes
on the beach run), so he made him give it back or go to jail. The pole
was all bent up, so now it doesn't work.


Probably some flag-burning liberal creep. Those communist creeps hate the
flag. So, a bike cop was following you for 1/2 mile? Cops in California must
be in better shape than they are around here. Hell, around here if they
can't drive a car they can hardly move all - their bellies are so big. So,
you must have been wearing a bikini for that cop to follow you so far? LOL.
Too bad about the flag pole. A bent pole is no laughing matter. snicker


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Oh.. whew.. I thought you thought I was thinking he was the reasonable
one.


I did at first . . .

I get all confused any time I run into an intelligent woman who actually
makes sense. It happens so rarely these days. LOL!

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:52:41 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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What do you think, Wilbur?
Would this one do?

Cannibal
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Might make a good live-aboard-at-a-dock boat. This is the type of boat that
only a "Bruce in Bangkok" would love.

That particular Morgan will go to weather about as well as a haymow. It's
sad that anybody would buy a sailboat that doesn't really sail and has a
huge motor in a failed attempt to compensate. The interior is designed to
attract the distaff side in that it looks like and is equipped like an
apartment ashore.



Wilbur Hubbard



Willie-boy, as I've mentioned a number of times. I'm in Thailand and
you are in S. Florida..

And, who is the sailor?
Cheers,

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:48:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:26:08 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

snippage

Reasonable? LOL! Girl, you've got a lot to learn . . .


I meant that you seemed pretty reasonable!!


So, tell me something I don't already know. lol

Jessica, Joe is one of those lubberly, wannabe-type sailors about whom I
refer when saying some are fearful to really sail so they attempt to load
up
a boat with "all the lubberly contraptions" like washer/dryer combos so
they
can feel comfortable because they are addicted to the land and the sailing
life is anathema to them.

Joe's erstwhile boat, "Red Cloud" was prematurely abandoned in a cold
front
in the Gulf of Mexico and he and his rank amateur crew were airlifted off
by
the Coast Guard and his boat was abandoned to her own devices and
eventually
sunk. Joe is a little chicken, IMO. Certainly is no sailor. If his skills
were 1/10th as big as his mouth he might amount to something. As it stands
now he's a disgrace. Why, the moron doesn't even know the proper sized
American flag to fly and he flies it in the wrong place. Nothing screams
incompetence like disrespect for one's flag.


Bummer that he lost his boat... Did they make him pay for his airlift?
Seems like things would be a lot better if people paid for their
mistakes... or at least had to make some kind of partial payment. It
might cut down on the nonsense.


Right you are. People are way to quick to pull the epirb switch because
there is no charge for a rescue operation. No charge for the rescued, at
least. Just another taxpayer-funded operation. It used to be sailors had
pride and would not abandon a boat until they had to step up into the life
raft from it. Nowadays people sprain an ankle or get a little seasick and
they call the Coast Guard. It's deplorable and unseamanlike.


What utter bumph. I personally know two people rescued from a barge
that broke lose during a "tropical depression" and another rescued
from a oil rig that was in the process of tipping over and they were
damned happy to be saved., regardless of whether they had to step up
or down. The two on the barge leaped across to the bow of the rescuing
tug and the oil rig people jumped overboard and most were retrieved
over the stern of a service boat.

I can assure you that none of them were endeavoring to measure the
relative height of the rescue craft and wait until they had to step
"up"



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Wilbur Hubbard

Cheers,

Bruce
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I can't help loving your sensible attitude.


Thanks! I've been accused of that before.


You're a rare type these days. . .



You are 100% correct. Some of these lubbers don't know what sailing's all
about, even when they've abused (as opposed to used) a sailboat for years.
Some, like those who carry shoreside-type washer/driers and run them when
sailing (or when anchored) are just plain pathetic.


Seems like you couldn't do much if it's running either... just sit
there an listen to the noise. Gross. What's the point.


I guess the point is these lubbers who pretend to be sailors are actually
comforted by having familiar household appliances running. I suppose it
relieves the tension the feel on a boat so they use it as a security blanket
of sorts.
I don't know if you've spent any time in or around boats but very ludicrous
is when so-called sailors become all insecure in any kind of moderate to
heavy winds so what do they do? They start up the diesel and keep it running
on 'standby'. *Talk about Binky city. LOL!

When sailing one needs minimal clothing. To wash that clothing, when
necessary, all that's needed is a bucket full of salt water, a good
detergent that bubbles up in salt water and bleach. Hand scrubbing some
shorts and t-shirts takes little time and one hand-rinse with fresh water
will rid them of salt residue so they dry properly. Drying them in the
wind
and sun takes less than a half hour.


Well, I guess that depends on the temperature. I'd want layers if
things were cold, but in warm weather, just shorts and a t top. Do you
make your guests wear shoes? My friend told me he does so nobody
breaks toes. I hate wearing shoes if I don't have to. Sorry if that
bursts your bubble, but I'm not a high-heels sort of person. I mean I
can, but I just don't.


I suppose I'm spoiled here in southern Florida. It gets a little chilly from
time to time in the winter but most of the year it's shorts, sandals and
t-shirt time. Shoes are for the land. I don't allow cigarette smoking aboard
nor do I allow shoes worn. Nothing beats bare feet. If one is so clumsy that
they stub a toe then I say, "TOUGH." So no bubble busted. Actually any
enclosed footwear is bad for the feet. Makes a great environment for smelly
bacteria and hungry fungus.







Instead, some so-called sailors load their boats up with all sorts of
lubberly crap that requires lubberly amount of energy and I'm convinced
they
do so because they really are AFRAID to sail and live the sailing life so
they sail a house, apartment or condo instead.


I wouldn't mind this sort of stupidity except for the fact that it spreads
out from their boats like a giant sewage slick. The noise of generators
24/7
to run all this crap impinges upon the peace, quiet and clean air of
anchorages everywhere. And, these fools actually think they are sailors..
They think they are cool and they actually brag about their selfish and
anti-social activities on Usenet.


Yeah, yeah! That's what I was thinking... all that noise. I sure as
heck don't want to listen to something running while I'm sipping my
daiquiri.


You are so well-grounded. Why can't everybody be a little less selfish and a
little more concerned about peace and quiet - especially in an anchorage.
Are they so stupid and/or rude that they think their individual noise has
greater rights than others peace and quiet. Just who are these people who
are so self-centered and arrogant? *Not only do they make noise but they
pollute the atmosphere doing it. Any boat downwind from a diesel motor
running will be forced to breathe dangerous and obnoxious fumes. How rude is
THAT?

Your sipping a daiquiri bothers nobody at all while making noise and running
smelly generators bothers EVERYBODY. The really sad thing is real sailors
don't do that kind of crap - it's just the pretenders doing it and ruining
an anchorage for everybody. I just wish these cretins would buy an RV and
stay ashore. They really are nothing but trailer park trash cum marina trash
cum pretend sailor. "Hey lookit meeeee!" types.

They are disgusting, selfish and ignorant, bothersome losers.


Sounds like you've had your run-ins with them. It must be nice if you
can find a quiet spot.


Believe me I have. I get settled into a nice quiet anchorage by
mid-afternoon and around sunset here comes the obnoxious twits who come
motoring in, anchor directly upwind of me, the only other boat in the
anchorage, and about three boat lengths away. Do they think I love company
so much that I need a close neighbor? They anchor by committee which is the
moron at the helm yelling at the top of his lungs at the poor wife at the
bow dealing with the anchor. Then they don't even back down on the anchor..



They just drop it with about twenty feet of chain lying right on top of it.

Then they jump in the inflatable with the 25 HP outboard, they coax in the
barking dog. Then off they roar making a big wake. Then they come back after
the dog has shat on somebody's lawn


You crying about a dog "shatting" on a lawn?
Nealessica you have been crapping in a bucket and dumpimg it overboard
for what 20" years.
You are so full of it, that would be over a pound a day or 365x20..OMG
that over 7,300 pounds of SHAT.
Someone should call the Environmental Health Department 50 High Point
Rd # 104, Tavernier, FL 33070-2022

(305) 853-1900

Jeeeeze no wonder Florida real estate prices have plunged.

And keep in mind, his boat is so small he only has room for one
bucket..Head, shower, sink, combo.


Can you imagine Jesseal? 7.300 LBS of raw sewage discharge in
Marathon Florida.
No wonder that Greek sponge fisherman kicked his ass up and down the
dock.








with bags of groceries and cases of beer and then they proceed to
play loud music and get drunk and holler and scream
until about 2 o'clock in the morning. This is what sailing has come to and
most of the imbeciles here in this group actually defend that kind of
behavior because they, themselves, regularly engage in it.



It's a truly sad state of affairs.



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I can't help loving your sensible attitude.


Thanks! I've been accused of that before.


You're a rare type these days. . .


Well, thanks! Actually, I have some friends who are pretty sensible.
They can't believe I work for the city.


You are 100% correct. Some of these lubbers don't know what sailing's all
about, even when they've abused (as opposed to used) a sailboat for years.
Some, like those who carry shoreside-type washer/driers and run them when
sailing (or when anchored) are just plain pathetic.


Seems like you couldn't do much if it's running either... just sit
there an listen to the noise. Gross. What's the point.


I guess the point is these lubbers who pretend to be sailors are actually
comforted by having familiar household appliances running. I suppose it
relieves the tension the feel on a boat so they use it as a security blanket
of sorts.


I don't even like to listen to the TV... maybe some football or
baseball at a friend's place.

I don't know if you've spent any time in or around boats but very ludicrous
is when so-called sailors become all insecure in any kind of moderate to
heavy winds so what do they do? They start up the diesel and keep it running
on 'standby'. Talk about Binky city. LOL!


Not really a lot. It's pretty light wind down this way, but I don't
think the boats around here go out much. Every time I visit a marina,
just about every boat is at the dock. The big ones never seem to
leave.. mostly smaller ones who look like they know what they're
doing.

When sailing one needs minimal clothing. To wash that clothing, when
necessary, all that's needed is a bucket full of salt water, a good
detergent that bubbles up in salt water and bleach. Hand scrubbing some
shorts and t-shirts takes little time and one hand-rinse with fresh water
will rid them of salt residue so they dry properly. Drying them in the
wind
and sun takes less than a half hour.


Well, I guess that depends on the temperature. I'd want layers if
things were cold, but in warm weather, just shorts and a t top. Do you
make your guests wear shoes? My friend told me he does so nobody
breaks toes. I hate wearing shoes if I don't have to. Sorry if that
bursts your bubble, but I'm not a high-heels sort of person. I mean I
can, but I just don't.


I suppose I'm spoiled here in southern Florida. It gets a little chilly from
time to time in the winter but most of the year it's shorts, sandals and
t-shirt time. Shoes are for the land. I don't allow cigarette smoking aboard
nor do I allow shoes worn. Nothing beats bare feet. If one is so clumsy that
they stub a toe then I say, "TOUGH." So no bubble busted. Actually any
enclosed footwear is bad for the feet. Makes a great environment for smelly
bacteria and hungry fungus.


I hate to wear closed shoes if I don't have to... I have to at work. a
nice outfit because I have deal with the public when I travel around.

Instead, some so-called sailors load their boats up with all sorts of
lubberly crap that requires lubberly amount of energy and I'm convinced
they
do so because they really are AFRAID to sail and live the sailing life so
they sail a house, apartment or condo instead.

I wouldn't mind this sort of stupidity except for the fact that it spreads
out from their boats like a giant sewage slick. The noise of generators
24/7
to run all this crap impinges upon the peace, quiet and clean air of
anchorages everywhere. And, these fools actually think they are sailors.
They think they are cool and they actually brag about their selfish and
anti-social activities on Usenet.


Yeah, yeah! That's what I was thinking... all that noise. I sure as
heck don't want to listen to something running while I'm sipping my
daiquiri.


You are so well-grounded. Why can't everybody be a little less selfish and a
little more concerned about peace and quiet - especially in an anchorage.
Are they so stupid and/or rude that they think their individual noise has
greater rights than others peace and quiet. Just who are these people who
are so self-centered and arrogant? Not only do they make noise but they
pollute the atmosphere doing it. Any boat downwind from a diesel motor
running will be forced to breathe dangerous and obnoxious fumes. How rude is
THAT?


It's got to be the worst smell there is. I almost puked the last time
I smelled it.

Your sipping a daiquiri bothers nobody at all while making noise and running
smelly generators bothers EVERYBODY. The really sad thing is real sailors
don't do that kind of crap - it's just the pretenders doing it and ruining
an anchorage for everybody. I just wish these cretins would buy an RV and
stay ashore. They really are nothing but trailer park trash cum marina trash
cum pretend sailor. "Hey lookit meeeee!" types.


I can't stand it when my neighbors run their TVs full blast. How about
other people?? Hello??


They are disgusting, selfish and ignorant, bothersome losers.


Sounds like you've had your run-ins with them. It must be nice if you
can find a quiet spot.


Believe me I have. I get settled into a nice quiet anchorage by
mid-afternoon and around sunset here comes the obnoxious twits who come
motoring in, anchor directly upwind of me, the only other boat in the
anchorage, and about three boat lengths away. Do they think I love company
so much that I need a close neighbor? They anchor by committee which is the
moron at the helm yelling at the top of his lungs at the poor wife at the
bow dealing with the anchor. Then they don't even back down on the anchor.
They just drop it with about twenty feet of chain lying right on top of it.
Then they jump in the inflatable with the 25 HP outboard, they coax in the
barking dog. Then off they roar making a big wake. Then they come back after
the dog has shat on somebody's lawn with bags of groceries and cases of beer
and then they proceed to play loud music and get drunk and holler and scream
until about 2 o'clock in the morning. This is what sailing has come to and
most of the imbeciles here in this group actually defend that kind of
behavior because they, themselves, regularly engage in it.


How do you deal with them? I hate yelling. I had an ex who yelled.
Give me a break. I was smarter and he couldn't handle it. Dump time
didn't come a day too soon!

It's a truly sad state of affairs.

Wilbur Hubbard




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