If you had a clue about boat handling or the experience of operating a large
sail vessel without any auxiliary... then you might be able to talk to me
about ship handling in tight quarters under sail. I have such experience.
It's amazing what a sailboat can do in the right hands of someone with
competence.

The situation you describe is easily and safely maneuvered with some fore
thought and a speck of navigational, helm and ship handling experience. It's
fine that you use an engine to compensate for your obvious lack of skills.
I'm certain every slip neighbour draws a sigh of relief at your safe
negotiation of the slips at your marina.

Yes I use belaying pins to correct errant crew and baggywrinkles to cushion
my rum bottle from damage..... I'll bet you use a foam cushioned Mylar
drink holder from on of the lofts to cradle your wine coolers.

Wheel steering is fine on a larger boat. A 27 footer with a wheel is plain
stupid. My 30 footer has stern hung rudder and a tiller. That's proper!

Miserable???.... No. Old... no way! Likely to take issue with an ill
conceived, ignorant, poorly informed, pompous rant of idiocy from the likes
of you.... You Bet!

Next time you feel like you are the last word on proper sailing
technique.... whack your thick skull into the desk a few times and keep in
mind I'll be standing by to correct you on your decimation of dangerous and
idiotic diatribe.

CM





"JN" wrote in message
...
| Obviously you aren't situated between a finger pier and a neighboring
boat,
| and once out of the slip having to make you way out between the piers of
| slips into open water. Oh, there have been times I've really been tempted
| to try, but any hair brained idiot who rams my docked boat while trying
such
| a stunt would receive my full wrath. I therefore extend everyone else in
| the marina neighborhood the same courtesy of insuring complete control of
my
| vessel while in such close circumstances and that requires the engine. Do
| you still insist on using belaying pins and baggywrinkles? Maybe you
think
| wheel steering has no place on a sailboat? Maybe you're just a miserable
| old fart.
|
|

After BACKING out of the slip, I have about 50 feet of water between me and
the boats docked on the other side of the channel. It takes an engine to
stop the backward motion of my 30' sloop in that amount of space so I don't
hit any of the boats on the other side. After achieving a forward motion,
someone could probably raise the sail, but my recommendation to anyone whose
boat was damaged from anyone trying that would be to take their boat away
from them by lawsuit. Negligence is the word I would recommend using. Then
sell one boat and buy more toys courtesy of the idiot.

Your motor boat mentality is showing again.

You could always push your boat out of the slip.
There is a little inertia to overcome but after that
it just glides backwards for a long way. If you
had both sails up and luffing it would be very
to jump aboard at the end of the slip and use
the tiller to turn the boat in the desired direction
so the sails would work when sheeted in.

How do you think sailboats got around before
there were motors? You're way too worried
about hitting something. It's hard to prove
negligence and besides it is never negligent
to sail a sailboat as long as you follow the
COLREGS and speed limits.

S.Simon


"JN" wrote in message .. .
After BACKING out of the slip, I have about 50 feet of water between me and
the boats docked on the other side of the channel. It takes an engine to
stop the backward motion of my 30' sloop in that amount of space so I don't
hit any of the boats on the other side. After achieving a forward motion,
someone could probably raise the sail, but my recommendation to anyone whose
boat was damaged from anyone trying that would be to take their boat away
from them by lawsuit. Negligence is the word I would recommend using. Then
sell one boat and buy more toys courtesy of the idiot.

"JN" wrote in message
.. .
After BACKING out of the slip, I have about 50 feet of water between me
and
the boats docked on the other side of the channel.

That is pure luxury!

I've got less than 40 feet *before* I back out!

Regards


Donal
--

LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
line to his mooring)

otn



Donal wrote:
"JN" wrote in message
.. .

After BACKING out of the slip, I have about 50 feet of water between me

and

the boats docked on the other side of the channel.


That is pure luxury!

I've got less than 40 feet *before* I back out!

Regards


Donal
--

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...
LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
line to his mooring)

otn

C'mon, be fair.

Getting a 33 ft boat out of a berth when there is only 40 ft behind her, is
not easy.


Regards


Donal
--

Sure it is, if you know what you're doing, and have done it, and
conditions are right, and you don't "screw the pooch".

otn

Donal wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...

LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
line to his mooring)

otn


C'mon, be fair.

Getting a 33 ft boat out of a berth when there is only 40 ft behind her, is
not easy.


Regards


Donal
--

I get a 30' out with 35 ' clearance all the time, several times a week.
wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
ink.net...
LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
line to his mooring)

otn

C'mon, be fair.

Getting a 33 ft boat out of a berth when there is only 40 ft behind her,
is
not easy.


Regards


Donal
--

It's mainly a question of what you have to work with and what you get
used to doing.
Even if you only have one or two feet to spare, if you can learn to use
those one or two feet, in time, it will feel easy.
My sympathy goes to the boater who only gets to boat on weekends for a
few months a year .... no matter how good they are or how good they get,
they'll always be in a stronger learning curve than the person doing it
frequently all week and all year .... watch some lobsterman or fisherman
who goes out daily. In a high percentage of cases, around a dock,
they'll be a pure pleasure to watch.

otn

The Carrolls wrote:
I get a 30' out with 35 ' clearance all the time, several times a week.
wrote in message
...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
hlink.net...

LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
line to his mooring)

otn

C'mon, be fair.

Getting a 33 ft boat out of a berth when there is only 40 ft behind her,

is

not easy.


Regards


Donal
--

Do you think you could maneuver as handily in a full keeled sailboat with no
engine in an area like that or are you addressing this to dual screws and
bow thrusters??

Until you can competently maneuver a boat under sail in tight areas....
making a claim of ability based on power driven propulsion falls short of
having any bearing on the subject at hand. I've had the helm on some fairly
large motor boats in my life and none proved to be very difficult to
maneuver or place to a dock in any conditions. [ Okay so maybe 90 ft boats
and ferries with a barge attached aren't that big to you.... they're big to
me! ;-)...]

CM




"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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| LOL If you guys are worried about 40'-50' clearances, I'd hate to see
| what you'll be like when things get close. ...... course, in Neal's
| case, doubt he could work around any docks .... probably why he's at a
| mooring (anchors as close as he can, then hops into his dingy and runs a
| line to his mooring)
|
| otn
|
|
|
| Donal wrote:
| "JN" wrote in message
| .. .
|
| After BACKING out of the slip, I have about 50 feet of water between me
|
| and
|
| the boats docked on the other side of the channel.
|
|
| That is pure luxury!
|
| I've got less than 40 feet *before* I back out!
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
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