"Oz1" Cappy_killfiled_me_in_asa_What_a_wimp wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:05:09 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

Passagemakers? You mean people who are using autopilots to hold a course?

Nope, I mean people hand steering and using vanes...you know the ones
who actually know what they're doing.


Forgive me for being skeptical - hand steering on a long passage and not using a compass?
Are you saying the CA sat on the tiller for 31 days? Not that its that important - the
standards for crosstrack are a bit different offshore.


Assuming its
compass based, the traditional compass is the backup.
In that case yes.
It's uncovered, checked and covered again...Right?

Also, there isn't much piloting to practice while on passage.

Really, no DR, no plotting?

DR isn't piloting. Sorry, I was using the term precisely. Piloting is specifically in
sight of land. The compass has a purpose offshore, but it doesn't need constant or
immediate attention. In piloting, however, there are many uses of a compass, and the need
may be immediate.



--
-jeff
"Constant Vigilance!" - Frances W. Wright

Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an
exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff.

CM

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message

| BTW, How many people here have done a running fix in the last year? In
their life? Know
| what it is?

Now you're the thread cop!! What's next, complaining about top posting??

So what was the point at hand?

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
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Ohh here we go, the Jocks tactic, alter the subject sklightly and you
might stand a chance of winning a point.


Actually, this was the only point I was interested in.

But it was not the point at hand. Why not start a new thread? You've been
busted badly in this one.

RB

No. Oz is afraid to use them because they might go yellow on him!


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
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Good God! Don't tell me you still use paper charts in Oz? Well no wonder!

Paper charts don't work anymore? They don't make batteries for them?

RB

A question for you "RULE JERKERS"
Is it wise to obey that stupid radar rule and drain your battaries on a
clear day for a ten mile sail or must you run your engines to charge
batteries and take all this ASA **** about motorsailing? **** stinks the
same even if it has a dumd rule that backs it.

And by God; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Cripes Nutsy can you stand me being on your side this much?

Looks like "Pneuma" bottom will be completed this week and I won't be
Landlocked anymore. I hope so.
Crabs are running, so are shrimp. I should be out there!

Ole Thom

"Cappy Kicker" Cappy_kicked_all_over_ ASA wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:28:53 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:


Actually, this was the only point I was interested in.

Fact is, if you know how to use a compass , it's not necessary to
practice the use every time you go out.

Nothing is necessary.

Actually you are incorrect! It is necessary to practice but not every
time.

There are times I practice by not using the GPS for a 30 mile sail down the coast, working
out the courses, and seeing how well it works out.

But other times its as simple as noting that a heading I read on the chart lines up
properly with a bearing from the compass. If the compass were covered, I'd never do it.
Now this may seem like a trivial thing, but how many novices (i.e.girl friends, guest, and
RB) can do this without thinking?


But I try to do at least one piloting exercise whenever I go out.
Nothing fancy - it might only be a few seconds to look at a bearing - but I never know
what it will be. Further, novice helmsmen should learn how to follow a compass use,
as
well as heading or an object, or tracking the wind. This should be reinforced whenever
possible.

OK if that suits you, but what's wrong with sliding the cover down
when you're not using the compass?

Why do something that makes you less effective, and discourages practice?


Do you practice emergency stops and handbrake turns every time you get
in your car...just in case?
No, but every Winter I play around a bit ...

But not every time!
Same same, the compass is not required every time so keep it covered,
safe from the sun or scratching.

Do your cats use the compass as a scrarching post? I would think you log and sounder are
at the same risk.



Do you pull out a chart of your local bay when you go into the fuel
dock?

My slip is on the fuel dock. Although I don't need the chart in the inner harbor -
there
are no hazards and few navaids - I usually have a chart on deck. I always have one if
I
go further.

Nope, because it would cause excessive wear just as uncovering yur
compass when it's definately not required to navigate will expose it
to fading, yellowing and risk of physical damage.

Good God! Don't tell me you still use paper charts in Oz? Well no wonder!

Umm yeah, and Ozi Explorer
You don't have paper charts onboard?

Of course I do. But the paper charts stay below. For my home waters (everything within
about 80 miles, Cape Ann to Cape Cod) I have a waterproof, virtually indestructable
chartkit. Cost me about $40. I have another for south of Cape Cod.

When I traveled the East Coast I had full paper charts that stayed below, and compact
versions for the cockpit. Plus a mess of software that I didn't use much.



BTW when I'm sailing in unfamiliar awters I always uncover the compass
before weighing anchor and have a chart for the area at hand.


I'm glad to hear it! I find the momentary disoreintation in a new place to be most
annoying. I try to stay sharp by practising in more familiar environments. Also, it
fun
to be looking for new things in a harbor I've sailed in for 25 years.
Yah won't see anything if your eyes are glued to a compass!

Glued? Quite the opposite. The point is to be able ot use the compass quickly and get it
right. As opposed to spending a lot of time to screw it up!




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

On 28 Jul 2003 23:29:15 GMT, (CANDChelp) wrote:

Capt. Edward C. Sadler
165 Scholfield St., Bronx, NY 10464 United States Map & Driving
Directions
Phone: (718) 885-1565





You are arguing about the replacement cost of a globe for a Ritchie
SP5 Globemaster. normal lifespan before showing UV damage is at least
ten years and you can have the globe replaced on City Island for
$50.00

Where is this? My friend's globemaster from his Galaxy is shot from sun and
wear. They quoted him 200.00 for a rebuild, which seemed high.

RB

Capt. Edward C. Sadler
165 Scholfield St., Bronx, NY 10464 United States Map & Driving
Directions
Phone: (718) 885-1565

Thanks! I'll forward that to him.

RB

July 19, 2003, 4:18 PM securite, securite, securite, this is the S/V
Eventide, motoring past lawrence point, westbound for the gate.

July 19, 2003, 4:20 PM securite , securite, securite, this is the
Bouchard Bros. pushing a heavy approaching Mill Rock, east bound
through the gate.

July 19, 2003 4:30 PM Bouchard Bros, Bouchard Bros, This is Eventide,
I have you in sight, I am the sailboat on your port bow. what do you
want cap, 1 or 2?

July 19, 2003 4;30 PM see you on 1 cap, thanks for asking.

I passed a large tug and very large fuel barge, aggregate length of
over 200 feet directly under the Triboro Bridge two hours into the ebb
at 10 kn ground speed.

Prior to that, I had detoured around the Brothers due to a fuel barge
coming up channel between them as a result of radio communications.

Subsequent to Bouchard Bros,I passed a Circle Line tour boat and a DEP
sludge boat in the restricted channel between 72nd and 53rd street and
a tug and tow in Butter Milk channel. all contacted on radio with
confirmed passing instructions.

You can pattern your behaviour on whom ever you want, Bob. but I
assure you, the Clearwater and the Petral would get on the horn if
they were approaching a current swept blind corner.

On 28 Jul 2003 23:28:00 GMT, (CANDChelp) wrote:


Nope, and no one I know does this either. Nor did the Clearwater or Petrel. The
Petrel was professionaly run...but the radio wasn't left on. Why would I make
security calls? I've had my radio on and NEVER heard such a call, let alone
anyone announcing their route and destination for a three hour trip down the
river. The trip down the river is a TINY little run requiring little more than
staying clear of occasional traffic and watching for debris.

RB

Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an
exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff.

Suzzy learned it a few weeks ago. She likes the nav stuff.

RB